Porsche EV long term reliability?

[VOLT4GE]

if they don’t and expensive vehicle repairs become commonplace then Porsche will become what Jaguar was for many years before Ford bought them and fixed their quality issues…

Ford fixed Jag’s quality issues? ?

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[Gino]

Ford fixed Jag’s quality issues? ?

Yes, I should have said “Ford improved Jaguar quality issues from ridiculously bad to just tolerable…”

 

[andix]

No issues here

 

[VOLT4GE]

Yes, I should have said “Ford improved Jaguar quality issues from ridiculously bad to just tolerable…”

I covered the automotive industry in Detroit in those days. “Tolerable” is doing a lot of work in your statement. ?

 

[alynn3]

I’m hoping Porsche intends to get to the bottom of all their EV reliability issues over the next few years at most. The brand’s long term integrity is at stake.
if they don’t and expensive vehicle repairs become commonplace then Porsche will become what Jaguar was for many years before Ford bought them and fixed their quality issues…
Jaguar was always known for gorgeous, emotionally inspired cars but that beauty came at the extremely high cost of maintaining any Jaguar.
Porsche must get back to their roots of precision German engineering where reliability is paramount and even though repairs can be expensive they are worth it because they are rare.
Batteries & electronics are my biggest concerns at this point. If they don’t succeed then I won’t be getting another Porsche EV…

The parts falling off this car are of the finest in German engineering.

 

[Gino]

I covered the automotive industry in Detroit in those days. “Tolerable” is doing a lot of work in your statement. ?

Yes, on purpose. I overstepped to say the least but I always loved looking at Jaguars until Ford bought them. I still loved looking at Jaguar’s but would always came in a distant fourth place after Porsche/Audi, Mercedes & BMW.

 

[shawn]

I have a different perspective, at least for now. I was an early adopter of a MY21 RWD. I drove the car for 3+ years and ended up with about 27k miles. I acquired a MY24 4S and here are my initial observations about build quality:

1. Build quality - I have over 60 pieces of foam in my MY21 that took hours and hours to isolate rattles and creeks. The trial and error process took well over 8 months to cure all but one rattle, which I never found. The MY24 has not one rattle or creek.
2. Interior Cup Holders - My MY21 almost qualified as its own steel drum music system. The MY24 is mute to the point that I am in disbelief.
3. Connectivity - The MY21 had a host of nuisance issues, most of which always resolved in a few minutes to an hour. PCM reboots were almost a weekly occurrence. The PCM had no real issues just older tech. The MY24 is almost like buying a new computer - glitch free, faster and connectivity issues are non existent.
4. Transmission - The MY21 had a constant clunk while downshifting from second to first and often a noticeable noise from 1st to 2nd. The MY24 is silent.
5. Hand Operated Frunk - The MY21 worked 1 out of 5 times. The MY24 is 100% functional.
6. Foot operated trunk - The My21 worked well but the kick was to the left of the centerline. The MY24 is inline with the centerline.
7. Air Conditioning - The MY24 is a 100% improvement over the MY21.
8. Comfort Locking via touch to door handle - MY21 worked 1 out of 7 times. MY24 works 5 out of 6 times.
9. Interior and exterior build qualify - no noticeable difference.
10. Driver assistance - Much better in the MY24 versus the MY21. Not even close.

There are a few of my recent observations. I have 1k miles on the MY24 and so far problem free (knocking on wood).

Glad hear about all of the quality improvements. I don't own a Taycan but will be getting my first Porsche (Macan 4) in Oct. WIth this improvement focus on the Taycan and the fact that they have been testing the Macan for 4+ years gives me confidence that the first-off Macans will not be a repeat of the first-off Taycans (I hope).

 

[Bossie]

Hi all, maybe it is different here in The Netherlands/Europe. But all high costs are covered by insurance. So this is the first vehicle I own where extended warranty is a thing. Even if my battery fails after the 2 year warranty period, my insurance will pay and negotiate the price with Porsche. Worst case for me is that my monthly insurance costs will go from 150€ to 250€ after an expensive repair. So nothing that keeps me awake at night

Is this a third party insurance or is it the Porsche insurance extension?

 

[Jasper4S]

Is this a third party insurance or is it the Porsche insurance extension?

Third party, just one of the many commercial ones

 

[OlyaYa]

Came here to say that Porsche Taycan long term reliability isn’t that great so far. We’ve had a Taycan since 2020 it was one of the first ones and it had many issues and went to the service a lot especially in the beginning. And now it completely died. Week and half ago it wouldn’t start and showed a red message “electrical failure” or something like that. Good it was in the garage at least. When Porsche came to get it - they had to pushed it out out of the garage because it wouldn’t start. Coincidentally we just got our new Taycan 2025, so we left the old one with the dealer. It’s the second time it happened to the car. Last time was a year ago. And the car only had 20k miles on it as of yesterday. This Taycan depreciated the most out of any other Porsches and other vehicles we own. Dealer told us no one wants to buy 2020-2021. We still love the car and how it drives, but the fact that Porsches electronics is not good in any of the cars and way behind some other brands and also that at least our new cars go to service that much - is very annoying….

 

[Gino]

Came here to say that Porsche Taycan long term reliability isn’t that great so far. We’ve had a Taycan since 2020 it was one of the first ones and it had many issues and went to the service a lot especially in the beginning. And now it completely died. Week and half ago it wouldn’t start and showed a red message “electrical failure” or something like that. Good it was in the garage at least. When Porsche came to get it - they had to pushed it out out of the garage because it wouldn’t start. Coincidentally we just got our new Taycan 2025, so we left the old one with the dealer. It’s the second time it happened to the car. Last time was a year ago. And the car only had 20k miles on it as of yesterday. This Taycan depreciated the most out of any other Porsches and other vehicles we own. Dealer told us no one wants to buy 2020-2021. We still love the car and how it drives, but the fact that Porsches electronics is not good in any of the cars and way behind some other brands and also that at least our new cars go to service that much - is very annoying….

My 2021 which was delivered in January of 2022 will hopefully be on the edge of your dealer’s statement “no one wants to buy 2020-2021”.
I did buy a 2021 built very late in 2021 and delivered after the 1st of the year in 2022.
I bought my 2021 Taycan in November 2023 with 30K miles at a reasonable discount of roughly 30%.
So far I haven’t had any issues with the batteries. I have had intermittent camera failures for the last 3 months but the dealer replaced the rear wiring harnesses and 3 or 4 cameras so now it appears this issue has been resolved.
My wife & I love our Taycan. We love how it drives and looks and we’re in it for the long term with an extended warranty from Porsche to take us to 2030 when the 8 year 100K battery warranty ends.
Hopefully I don’t get burned owning a late 2021 Taycan but at least I won’t know until I’m in the uncharted waters in 2030 with no warranty coverage.
I’m hoping Porsche will offer extended warranty options like have been mentioned in France where you can pay 150 Euro per month for coverage to protect against the crazy cost to replace a PCM, rear drive assembly or batteries. I just hope I don’t get to a surprise repair which is so expensive that it makes me abandon Porsche EVs altogether. I figure by 2030 I may not care if the battery only has a range of 100 miles (50% reduction in range) worst case so it really means my two main worries will be the drive train and the electronics. Both could be well over $15K & $10K respectively so I could fly without a net until one of these big repairs pops up to test wether I’ll keep the vehicle or not.
$3600/year for extended warranty insurance indefinitely may be a bit too pricey and force me back to an ICE Porsche which have a great track record to keep for decades without really big expenses for surprise repairs.
So my wife & I have 6 years of care free ownership where we get to admire the beauty & compelling performance of our Taycan.
I’ll cross the bridge to keep or sell our Taycan for a better option after 2030 when the first big expensive repair rears its ugly head. Eventually it will unless some drunk driver T-bones me to make the decision for me like my beloved 2000 Boxster which got totaled in 2022 at 42K miles. I was planning to keep my Boxster forever. Worst case a complete engine rebuild from a Porsche master rebuilder would have cost me $12-$15K or a rebuild of the Tiptronic transmission in the $7K to $9K max. It would have been worth spending up to $25K on my very low mileage, mint condition, 2000 Boxster because there is nothing else to go wrong which I couldn’t fix myself.
Taycan is a different animal. I’m at the mercy of Porsche for the electronics & the battery/charging systems which could cost easily $10K to $50K respectively and force me to reconsider keeping her.
I’m in my mid 60s so I don’t mind being a bit of a test subject after I turn 70.
Until then I’m focused on making more money, enough to make me no longer care what my Taycan cost and be able to focus on the joy we get every single day we get to look at & drive such a perfect work of art blended with effortless high performance.
Hey, you only live once and you can’t take it with you…

 

[OlyaYa]

My 2021 which was delivered in January of 2022 will hopefully be on the edge of your dealer’s statement “no one wants to buy 2020-2021”.
I did buy a 2021 built very late in 2021 and delivered after the 1st of the year in 2022.
I bought my 2021 Taycan in November 2023 with 30K miles at a reasonable discount of roughly 30%.
So far I haven’t had any issues with the batteries. I have had intermittent camera failures for the last 3 months but the dealer replaced the rear wiring harnesses and 3 or 4 cameras so now it appears this issue has been resolved.
My wife & I love our Taycan. We love how it drives and looks and we’re in it for the long term with an extended warranty from Porsche to take us to 2030 when the 8 year 100K battery warranty ends.
Hopefully I don’t get burned owning a late 2021 Taycan but at least I won’t know until I’m in the uncharted waters in 2030 with no warranty coverage.
I’m hoping Porsche will offer extended warranty options like have been mentioned in France where you can pay 150 Euro per month for coverage to protect against the crazy cost to replace a PCM, rear drive assembly or batteries. I just hope I don’t get to a surprise repair which is so expensive that it makes me abandon Porsche EVs altogether. I figure by 2030 I may not care if the battery only has a range of 100 miles (50% reduction in range) worst case so it really means my two main worries will be the drive train and the electronics. Both could be well over $15K & $10K respectively so I could fly without a net until one of these big repairs pops up to test wether I’ll keep the vehicle or not.
$3600/year for extended warranty insurance indefinitely may be a bit too pricey and force me back to an ICE Porsche which have a great track record to keep for decades without really big expenses for surprise repairs.
So my wife & I have 6 years of care free ownership where we get to admire the beauty & compelling performance of our Taycan.
I’ll cross the bridge to keep or sell our Taycan for a better option after 2030 when the first big expensive repair rears its ugly head. Eventually it will unless some drunk driver T-bones me to make the decision for me like my beloved 2000 Boxster which got totaled in 2022 at 42K miles. I was planning to keep my Boxster forever. Worst case a complete engine rebuild from a Porsche master rebuilder would have cost me $12-$15K or a rebuild of the Tiptronic transmission in the $7K to $9K max. It would have been worth spending up to $25K on my very low mileage, mint condition, 2000 Boxster because there is nothing else to go wrong which I couldn’t fix myself.
Taycan is a different animal. I’m at the mercy of Porsche for the electronics & the battery/charging systems which could cost easily $10K to $50K respectively and force me to reconsider keeping her.
I’m in my mid 60s so I don’t mind being a bit of a test subject after I turn 70.
Until then I’m focused on making more money, enough to make me no longer care what my Taycan cost and be able to focus on the joy we get every single day we get to look at & drive such a perfect work of art blended with effortless high performance.
Hey, you only live once and you can’t take it with you…

Yes absolutely! I wish your car many years ahead without problems. This was just our experience. And like I said it was one of the first Taycans, so hopefully most of the later ones wouldn’t have such issues. The car is still great and I love driving it!

 

[Gino]

Yes absolutely! I wish your car many years ahead without problems. This was just our experience. And like I said it was one of the first Taycans, so hopefully most of the later ones wouldn’t have such issues. The car is still great and I love driving it!

My wife would kill me if I tried to get rid of our Taycan… Life’s pleasures!

 

[Bognar67]

Came here to say that Porsche Taycan long term reliability isn’t that great so far. We’ve had a Taycan since 2020 it was one of the first ones and it had many issues and went to the service a lot especially in the beginning. And now it completely died. Week and half ago it wouldn’t start and showed a red message “electrical failure” or something like that. Good it was in the garage at least. When Porsche came to get it - they had to pushed it out out of the garage because it wouldn’t start. Coincidentally we just got our new Taycan 2025, so we left the old one with the dealer. It’s the second time it happened to the car. Last time was a year ago. And the car only had 20k miles on it as of yesterday. This Taycan depreciated the most out of any other Porsches and other vehicles we own. Dealer told us no one wants to buy 2020-2021. We still love the car and how it drives, but the fact that Porsches electronics is not good in any of the cars and way behind some other brands and also that at least our new cars go to service that much - is very annoying….

And you still bought another one that brakes down, will be in the service all the time, will finish its life time dead in your garage and will loose most money on depreciation in the car industry.
Simply can't get it.

 

[Gino]

And you still bought another one that brakes down, will be in the service all the time, will finish its life time dead in your garage and will loose most money on depreciation in the car industry.
Simply can't get it.

For me it’s an emotional decision, not an investment decision. Vehicles in general are never a good investment unless you fully utilize it for business. I am not in that camp. I’m in the emotional camp so I weigh the joy I get looking at and driving my Taycan against any inconvenience/costs I anticipate I will endure.
I’ve had my 2021 Taycan CPO for less than a year and so far it has been very smooth sailing. I hope my experience stays the same for the next 5.5 years when my warranties expire…

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