What happens after 8 year battery warranty?

[Bognar67]

I also doubt about the "huge cost of labour" of a battery exchange comparing to rebuilding an ICE engine.
It is fixed with 20-30 screws and has a HW plug to un and reconnect + cooling connections.
Should significantly less hours than rebuild an ICE.
Time (labour) should be similar to take off and replace an engine, and the engine is still not touched.

Some manufacturers have battery exchange stations that swaps batteries in less than 10 minutes.

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[Amazon]

Absolutely!
Additionally if 2nd hand Taycan market collapses new car market collapses as well with short delay. Nobody will buy a (new) car that depreciates to zero after 8 years.
In my individual case I have already changed my 4-year car swap habit to 7 with my Taycan to make the depreciation pill sweeter with longer use. If the 2nd hand Taycan market will be crashed in 2029 and will not be able to sell the car on a kind of value, I will use it until it dies and never ever buy again an electric car.
Is it really the future of transition? ....

Indeed but keep in mind that this could actually happen for real. Not all transitions are successful. I think EV cars are here to stay but the EV market will not grow as big as everyone thought. Lots of people can’t charge their cars at home. It’s like having a private gas station in your backyard if you think about it. The concept in itself is ridiculous. Once cars can charge in 5 minutes, it will be very different though. It’s not range the issue, but charging speeds. In that regards, I don’t see the taycan becoming scrap metal in a few years. A 15 minutes charge already gives you enough range For daily use. Not all electric cars are equal in this regard. If all of them had a 800v battery, the market would look different.

 

[Amazon]

I also doubt about the "huge cost of labour" of a battery exchange comparing to rebuilding an ICE engine.
It is fixed with 20-30 screws and have a HW plug to un and reconnect + cooling connections.
Should significantly less hours than rebuild an ICE.
Time (labour) should be similar to take off and replace an engine, and the engine is still not touched.

Some manufacturers have battery exchange stations that swaps batteries in less than 10 minutes.

Dépends if you can easily swap a battery on the taycan. Look at how much labour is needed just to replace a panoramic roof. This has not been thought out by Porsche.

 

[Bognar67]

Indeed but keep in mind that this could actually happen for real. Not all transitions are successful. I think EV cars are here to stay but the EV market will not grow as big as everyone thought. Lots of people can’t charge their cars at home. It’s like having a private gas station in your backyard if you think about it. The concept in itself is ridiculous. Once cars can charge in 5 minutes, it will be very different though. It’s not range the issue, but charging speeds. In that regards, I don’t see the taycan becoming scrap metal in a few years. A 15 minutes charge already gives you enough range For daily use. Not all electric cars are equal in this regard. If all of them had a 800v battery, the market would look different.

Yes, but (in this case) I exclusively think about Taycan not global EV market.
Huge % of Taycan owners are able to charge at home obviously, and on the road charging a Taycan is a kind of stop with ICE if there is a toilet and coffe
.
So mostly advantages (I really enjoy the car and usage environment) but still depreciates like hell and the reason is clearly what happens after 8 years and the cost of batt rep.

 

[Bognar67]

Dépends if you can easily swap a battery on the taycan. Look at how much labour is needed just to replace a panoramic roof. This has not been thought out by Porsche.

Underneath placed screwed block with some connections should be replaced still less time than an ICE block.

 

[Fish Fingers]

Absolutely!
Additionally if 2nd hand Taycan market collapses new car market collapses as well with short delay. Nobody will buy a (new) car that depreciates to zero after 8 years.
In my individual case I have already changed my 4-year car swap habit to 7 with my Taycan to make the depreciation pill sweeter with longer use. If the 2nd hand Taycan market will be crashed in 2029 and will not be able to sell the car on a kind of value, I will use it until it dies and never ever buy again an electric car.
Is it really the future of transition? ....

I am thinking in a similar manner....
I am deciding next year (after 4 years) whether to get rid of the Taycan and move elsewhere (I will be sticking with an EV though).
I normally change every 3 years.

Or, aim to keep the Taycan long term. Apart from the battery (and all the other Taycan issues!) it should have less maintenance / wear and tear than an ICE car....in theory!

I actually love the car when it's working properly. And I think the dssign will age well.
Range is also fine for me.....never really needed to charge away from home in over 3 years.

I will see in 12 months how things are looking.

 

[Bognar67]

I am thinking in a similar manner....
I am deciding next year (after 4 years) whether to get rid of the Taycan and move elsewhere (I will be sticking with an EV though).

Or, aim to keep the Taycan long term. Apart from the battery (and all the other Taycan issues!) it should have less maintenance / wear and tear than an ICE car....in theory!

I actually love the car when it's working properly. And I think the dssign will age well.
Range is also fine for me.....never really needed to charge away from home in over 3 years.

I will see in 12 months how things are looking.

Absolutely.
In my case (2Y/40k km) had only one issue (charging door blocking), out of that nothing. This makes the car my most reliable one (incl. my 911) for the same time/km.
Additionally feels like new, not like an ICE after same time/km of use.

 

[daveo4EV]

_ANY_ major drive train component on _ANY_ Porsche is expensive to replace after it fails/degrades at 100k miles or more…

a partial list of expensive items on Porsche that will bank rupt you after 100k miles…

1. engine
2. turbo replacement
3. transfer case for SUV
4. transmission(s) PDK or other wise
5. full suspension
6. air suspension
7. any "main" computer - there are at least 3 "main computers" that are 10k or more to replace
8. any digital "screen" or dashboard component
9. "top end" of the motor
10. "bottom end" of the motor
11. fuel injector system
12. any "bearing" inside the motor
13. drive shaft
14. PCCB rotors
15. list continues…

if the battery is working at 100k mile or 8 years it will probably continue to work almost indefinately - if it "fails" it will be expensive to replace/repair like _ANY_ major vehicle component - actual battery failures are expected to be low single digit's percentages - sucks to be you if you're one of the digits but it's not like these things turn into pumpkins and simply shut down…

any given battery will continue to work or it simply won't - the expected outcome is nearly all the batteries won't have issues, but there will be some and the ones that do fail will be expensive to repair - but have you checked the price on a 911 TurboS flat-6 motor replacement yet at 150k miles? or a PDK transmission? or the AWD drive-train components on a 911 turbos? (or macan?)

honestly _IF_ a battery fails, and it's replaced - I'd consider the EV much better with new battery vs. a 911 with a new engine - the 911 still has at least 6-7 other "shoes" to drop even after you replace a whole engine - transmission or other thing will be next…

it's going to cost a lost of money to get a battery fixed if it fails out of warranty

here let me rephrase that

it's going to cost a lot of money to fix any of your Porsche's if they fail out of warranty.

 

[RGBArgee]

Car will be a write-off in 8 years if the battery fails I think. Worrying about getting it fixed a bit of a waste of time.
That said, someone posted elsewhere that degradation has been much lower than expected, so hopefully won’t be an issue. Hopefully.

What will an 8 year old Taycan be worth? £20k maybe. It’s like 8 year old Audi A8 pretty much a write of with any major mechanical issues. Many of us will probably be stuck with Taycans rather longer than planned due to the EV haters and lack of infrastructure. In saying that I wouldn’t want a Taycan without a warranty (£1k a year via Porsche) after manufacturers warranty expires.

 

[Rcrewse7]

I’ve been thinking about this question for some time as I would love to keep my Taycan past 100K miles without sweating bullets about the battery. No doubt that any repair/replacement of the HV battery outside of warranty through the dealer would be prohibitively expensive, I’m encouraged by the growing supply of used packs coming up for sale online.

Example, there is a PBP pack from a 2021 Taycan for sale on EBay with 15,000 miles on it for less than $5k. Seems that a third party shop with PWIS would be able to swap a bad battery out with something like this for a figure far more reasonably than any of the values we’ve been throwing around here from Porsche direct.

Another forum post here goes through the process of changing out an individual module to repair a battery…more labor but less cost per individual module (less than $1k).

While our Taycan don’t represent a high volume vehicle like a Tesla Model 3, I’d like to believe that the aftermarket will step up to fill this gap.

 

[r553]

The replacement battery recently installed in my 2020 4 S with P/N 9J1-915-100-EX on warranty seems to cost ~$34K with a ~$7K core charge. It is purportedly a 2023 style battery. The battery swap was straightforward at the dealer. They did have to use a lift with wider spacing to accommodate the battery. Getting the battery took about 3 weeks. YMMV.

 

[shawn]

Extreme battery degradation or rare defect issues can be managed by changing modules not the entire battery. This is true for the new Macan EV and I’m pretty sure for the Taycan so repairs should be a lot less than the entire battery.

That’s said I don’t think this should be a big concern because degradation is proving to be minimal so you’re much more likely to lose 10 % over 8 years (worst case) which you can live without any needed repairs given the range is good enough for most drivers anyway.

CATL packs are used in most EVs like PORSCHE and are good quality. Lots of Teslas out there with over 200k miles on the original battery ( that are not as good as today’s batteries) and even they have minimal degradation.

Finally with chemistry advances any replacement modules would likely be different than the original and improved in every way to fit the same form factor.

 

[Tooney]

_ANY_ major drive train component on _ANY_ Porsche is expensive to replace after it fails/degrades at 100k miles or more…

it's going to cost a lot of money to fix any of your Porsche's if they fail out of warranty.

In summary: it could be a lot worse...

 

[Chas1]

Absolutely!
Additionally if 2nd hand Taycan market collapses new car market collapses as well with short delay. Nobody will buy a (new) car that depreciates to zero after 8 years.
In my individual case I have already changed my 4-year car swap habit to 7 with my Taycan to make the depreciation pill sweeter with longer use. If the 2nd hand Taycan market will be crashed in 2029 and will not be able to sell the car on a kind of value, I will use it until it dies and never ever buy again an electric car.
Is it really the future of transition? ....


I don't see that happening. There are plenty of Tesla's running around with 200,000 miles plus. Over the next 7 years or so we can expect EV's to be much more durable than ICE cars with consequent fear of battery failure receding. Battery repairs will become common place and as I understand it the Taycan battery can be repaired with individual modules being swapped out.

I think we have seen enough high mileage Taycans to judge that the batteries stand up well. At a year and a half my car's range seems to be improving rather than decreasing compared to last year. Any executive barge will lose a ton of money on depreciation early on but most go on for hundreds of thousands of miles, the Taycan will be no different other than it's such an exceptional car to drive and look at.

 

[Gino]

The warranty for the battery is 8 years from Porsche. Nobody is out of warranty as of 2024. Has anyone established what happens in 2028 and beyond?
1 Can you extend it with Porsche?
2 How much cover is there in the warranty? It will be a succession of used car 2-year warranties.
3 Are there insurance companies who will insure an 8-year Taycan?

We have four years to investigate.

Yes, in 4 years we will find out if Porsche/Audi/

The warranty for the battery is 8 years from Porsche. Nobody is out of warranty as of 2024. Has anyone established what happens in 2028 and beyond?
1 Can you extend it with Porsche?
2 How much cover is there in the warranty? It will be a succession of used car 2-year warranties.
3 Are there insurance companies who will insure an 8-year Taycan?

We have four years to investigate.

Yes, we have 4 years before we hear from the Porsche/Audi/VW group that they will continue to stand by their EVs for the long term with long term support options like in France where Porsche evidently offers an extended warranty for Euro 120/month which is pricey but will provide peace of mind to owners that plan to keep their vehicles for the long term.
On the flip side they could decide to not support their EVs, allow a $60K+ battery replacement cost loom over customers until it happens too often and Porsche EVs get labeled as a disposable vehicle after 8 years when the battery fails. When it does, the lion’s share of customers will not pay for the replacement from Porsche which will drive current & future Porsche EV customers away from these disposable EVs and bank to more long term service predictable ICE vehicles.
Likely there will be 3rd party battery repair/replacement services popping up to offer more reasonable repair/replacements but there will also be other very expensive parts like the displays in the vehicle which at some point will not be able to be repaired once the parts are no longer manufactured. Supporting these complicated electronic assemblies through 3rd parties will then be the only way to keep them on the road. All the mechanical assemblies can easily be rebuilt by 3rd parties but displays & the main battery will be what eventually makes the Taycan a disposable vehicle. Fortunately it won’t really matter to me since I will be too old to care.
I bought a used 2000 Boxster in late 2001 with 4500 miles on it which was $58K new. I paid $38K for it. Almost 20 years later with 42K miles on it I got T-boned by a hit & run drunk driver in July 2021.
I got $21K from my insurance company which totaled the vehicle.
The engine was still still perfect & so were the 3 of the wheels/new tires & the tiptronic transmission.
I doubt my 2001 Taycan which was roughly $100K new and I bought in 2023 at 2 years old with 30K miles on it for $78K is going to fare that well in 20 years if 3rd parties don’t step up to save these gorgeous vehicles from being parted out and scrapped.
The big question is if there will be approved 3rd party battery replacement shops which can do so safely. If not then EVs will become ticking time-bombs when unregulated repairs/replacements end up burning down people’s homes, businesses and shopping centers where they park & sooner or later catch fire.
One good sign is that Tesla long term battery life is looking very promising but sooner or later a battery replacement will be inevitable and the only option cannot be $60K+ from Porsche…
If it is then when my Taycan turns 20 and someone t-bones me I’ll certainly not get back 30%+ of the new value of the vehicle by the insurance company.
I’d expect to get far less. Most likely 15-20% max if the vehicle has very low mileage and in perfect condition inside & out with the exception of the damage from the t-bone…
It will be interesting to see the path Porsche takes. I hope they don’t choose disposable. I plan for my Taycan to outlive me or at least last long enough that I don’t care or not mentally sharp enough to drive anymore so I just sit in it and dream of the driving I used to do.

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