[North America] - this is getting embarrassing - Porsche nerfing/neutering the PMCC via OTA update?

[QueenBean]

• Tesla Corded Mobile Charger - 40 amps $200
• Tesla Universal Mobile Charger Gen2 - 32 amps $225 (NEMA 14-50 optional? - check website)
• Tesla Wall Charger - 12-48 amps - Hardwired (not Mobile) - $400
  • all above units will Require a TeslaTap - so thats a bit of a Pain
• Tesla has announceda J-1772 EVSE - very very well reviews - so far MIA in terms of actually purchasing it - but this would be an excellent choice.
• Mustart Moble 40 amp EVSE
• Mustart Mobile 32 amp EVSE
• ChargePoint Homeflex (32, 40, 48 amp) EVSE
• WallBox Plusar Plus
• Any ClipperCreek EVSE
• JuiceBox

Wallbox, ClipperCreek, ChargePoint - get a NEMA 14-50 version so it's plug&play with your existing setup. If you are slightly more adventerous get one of the Tesla chargers

don't sweat a NEMA 6-50 version - a highquality effective and safe NEMA 14-50 to 6-50 adapter (pigtail - short cord) can be had from Amazon for $40 or less.

virtually any 40 amp EVSE with a NEMA 14-50/6-50 plug will do the job - get an EVSE that matches your current setup - or consider this an opportunity to "upgrade" to a full 48 amp EVSE to charge your Taycan at 11 kw - but you'll need a 60 amp breaker + upgraded wire and all 60/48 amp EVSE's are hardwired by definition (so not mobile).

don't worry about moiblility - you still have the PMCC - which for occassional use is ok as your "mobile" charger - so I'd consider this one a "fixed" unit that will just live in your garage.

I would add the Grizzl-E 40a NEMA 14-50; we us it and a Tesla Gen 2 set on 40a both on separate 50a circuits.

The Grizzl-E is a great value and is extremely compact and durable; especially good for outdoor installation

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[RBGtaycan]

From my letter to Porsche after getting that dumb email that they want to reduce output and put a sticker on it:

I am extremely disappointed that Porsche’s answer to this issue is to significantly limit the capability of the unit.

It’s dumfounding that a great company such as Porsche takes that approach when they KNOW the correct approach is to replace the unit with one that is fully capable.

Your approach is equivalent to saying that adding a sticker on my car, and then reducing its horsepower, would “fix” a problem such as bad tires that have been found to have significantly reduced capability (e.g. cannot exceed 90 miles per hour.)

I know Porsche can do better.

 

[QueenBean]

This sums it up for me:

Shame on Porsche

 

[slothinker]

The letter from Porsche doesn't exactly warn against raising the charging rate to the max 40 amps. I have easy access to my charger. Since I only charge up once or twice a week, resetting amperage back to 30, 35 or 40 is only a minor inconvenience (again, for me). From now on I'll probably go with 30 amp which about what the unit has been putting (perhaps due to other limitations on my property).

I learned early on is that charging mid-day really heat up the unit and cord (don't know about the plug). Since then I've charged after midnight and that has worked out well so far.

 

[snstevens]

Nope, just that it matches the NEMA plug orientation of the Porsche unit. Here's my before/after, I planned to buy the decorative cabinet one day but I am glad I didn't!

Nice drywall repair by the way

 

[Bill33525]

The EVSE in my '21 Audi eTron looks like the Porsche charger but has larger wire and runs about 40 degrees cooler than the Porsche charger in my hot Florida garage. Usually use the CP Flex Home charger which gives me a report on usage.

 

[snstevens]

• Tesla Corded Mobile Charger - 40 amps $200
• Tesla Universal Mobile Charger Gen2 - 32 amps $225 (NEMA 14-50 optional? - check website)
• Tesla Wall Charger - 12-48 amps - Hardwired (not Mobile) - $400
  • all above units will Require a TeslaTap - so thats a bit of a Pain
• Tesla has announceda J-1772 EVSE - very very well reviews - so far MIA in terms of actually purchasing it - but this would be an excellent choice.
• Mustart Moble 40 amp EVSE
• Mustart Mobile 32 amp EVSE
• ChargePoint Homeflex (32, 40, 48 amp) EVSE
• WallBox Plusar Plus
• Any ClipperCreek EVSE
• JuiceBox

Wallbox, ClipperCreek, ChargePoint - get a NEMA 14-50 version so it's plug&play with your existing setup. If you are slightly more adventerous get one of the Tesla chargers

don't sweat a NEMA 6-50 version - a highquality effective and safe NEMA 14-50 to 6-50 adapter (pigtail - short cord) can be had from Amazon for $40 or less.

virtually any 40 amp EVSE with a NEMA 14-50/6-50 plug will do the job - get an EVSE that matches your current setup - or consider this an opportunity to "upgrade" to a full 48 amp EVSE to charge your Taycan at 11 kw - but you'll need a 60 amp breaker + upgraded wire and all 60/48 amp EVSE's are hardwired by definition (so not mobile).

don't worry about moiblility - you still have the PMCC - which for occassional use is ok as your "mobile" charger - so I'd consider this one a "fixed" unit that will just live in your garage.

So I re-read your earlier thread about outfitting the garage, and I'm thinking about installing a more capable system if I am going to replace the PMCC anyway.

It seems like you recommend the ClipperCreek HCS-60 (max charging current 48A) to get 11KW of charging capability, but would an HCS-80 (max charging current 64A) have any real additional value (I know it won't help the Taycan today which is limited to 11KW)? The price of the HCS-80 on Amazon is $1,066 (cheaper than my PMCC by the way ), and the HCS-60 comes in at $989 so it isn't much different.

Also, I would like to replace the EVSE with something with WiFi and App monitoring capability, and it doesn't seem like that's a ClipperCreek thing. Am I wrong about that?

So, in a nutshell, do you have any recommendations for a Wi-Fi enabled, wired, 60-80A EVSE other than the ClipperCreek?

Answering my own question -- The Wallbox Pulsar Plus 48amp 11.5kW WiFi does seem to check most of the boxes. Other options?

 

[DerekS]

Nice drywall repair by the way

You noticed that!

Thanks. I was eager to get the entire Porsche charger behind me and I didn't want holes to remind me.

 

[snstevens]

You noticed that!

Thanks. I was eager to get the entire Porsche charger behind me and I didn't want holes to remind me.

Yeah, I would have done (and probably will end up doing) the same thing.

I wouldn't say I love drywall (who loves drywall work?), but I'm good at it, and you did a great job.

BTW, do you have issues with the Wallbox charging cord scuffing the wall?

 

[DerekS]

Answering my own question -- The Wallbox Pulsar Plus 48amp 11.5kW WiFi does seem to check most of the boxes. Other options?

Be aware the 48 amp version is hard-wired and requires a 60 amp circuit and breaker.

If you're looking to replace Porsche's EVSE plugged into the NEMA 14-50, you'll probably want the 40 amp plug-in variant.

 

[snstevens]

Be aware the 48 amp version is hard-wired and requires a 60 amp circuit and breaker.

If you're looking to replace Porsche's EVSE plugged into the NEMA 14-50, you'll probably want the 40 amp plug-in variant.

Yep. I'm checking with my electrician to see if there are any issues upgrading the wiring. I only have 18" of wire from the panel to the plug today.

I also have two 200A panels with about 100A directed through a Transfer Switch for my Generac, so I don't think its an issue. Just wish I could connect to the Generac, but that isn't a whole-house system.

 

[DerekS]

Yep. I'm checking with my electrician to see if there are any issues upgrading the wiring. I only have 18" of wire from the panel to the plug today.

Nice, that's gonna be sweet then.

 

[daveo4EV]

So I re-read your earlier thread about outfitting the garage, and I'm thinking about installing a more capable system if I am going to replace the PMCC anyway.

It seems like you recommend the ClipperCreek HCS-60 (max charging current 48A) to get 11KW of charging capability, but would an HCS-80 (max charging current 64A) have any real additional value (I know it won't help the Taycan today which is limited to 11KW)? The price of the HCS-80 on Amazon is $1,066 (cheaper than my PMCC by the way ), and the HCS-60 comes in at $989 so it isn't much different.

Also, I would like to replace the EVSE with something with WiFi and App monitoring capability, and it doesn't seem like that's a ClipperCreek thing. Am I wrong about that?

So, in a nutshell, do you have any recommendations for a Wi-Fi enabled, wired, 60-80A EVSE other than the ClipperCreek?

Answering my own question -- The Wallbox Pulsar Plus 48amp 11.5kW WiFi does seem to check most of the boxes. Other options?

quick answers: ClipperCreek does _ONE_ thing - it charges cars - no fancy feature - none - nada - zilch

HCS-80 would be beneficial for _FUTURE_ EV's in two dimensions:

1. you can purchase a 2nd ClipperCreek unit and have them share the 80 amp breaker - which means a higher budget to split when charging 2 EV's - two HCS 80 would be splitting a 64 amp budget when charging two EV's rather than splitting a 48 amp budget…
2. future EV's won't be limited to 11 kW - other EV's sometimes have higher charging limits so you would charge those EV's faster - but you are correct for the Taycan it would no difference in charging speed (Ford, GM, Rivian, LucidAir all have > 48 amp charge rates standard or optional - and Taycan and future Porsche EV's already have the 19.2 kW (80 amp) option…so your current EV may not be the benchmark to strive for - but it's up to you - you'l do fine either way.

I prefer "simple" EVSE's like the ClipperCreek to complex one's - because they lead to problems like we are seeing with the Porsche Offers - my personal bias is that all the complexity should be in the vehicle systems rather than the external charger to keep the external charger simple and reliable

that being said the ChargePoint/Wallbox products have excellent reputations and I know of no issues with either product and customers tend to be universally happy

the real tragedy here is that this stuff is not that hard and all the other guys seem to do a decent job for much much less money - how Porsche's expensive EVSE went off the rails like this is simply mystifying to me.

 

[DerekS]

the real tragedy here is that this stuff is not that hard and all the other guys seem to do a decent job for much much less money - how Porsche's expensive EVSE went off the rails like this is simply mystifying to me.

It's nuts how expensive. The PMC+ is $1995 and PMCC $2495 USD...and those are Suncoast prices!

I really hope to strike the Porsche charger from my next build entirely and get credit. Not sure if I can, but I will try.

 

[daveo4EV]

It's nuts how expensive. The PMC+ is $1995 and PMCC $2495 USD...and those are Suncoast prices!

I really hope to strike the Porsche charger from my next build entirely and get credit. Not sure if I can, but I will try.

the PMCC prices are also _NOT COMPLETE_ you have to then pay for the power supply cable and the vehicle charging cord in addition to the PMCC/PMC+ core unit

fully kitted out with _ALL_ parts (including two "set screws" for $8 each for each of the cables) to build a 2nd PMCC NEMA 14-50 EVSE w/25 foot vehicle cable is $3200'ish buck from Porsche service parts…one of the forum members priced it all out 2 years ago and was aghast …

these are simply the most expensive crappy EVSE's on the market- their ONLY redeeming characteristic to date has been they are "included" with the vehicle - but even counting the $1120 price bump for the PMMC to get the $0 25 ft cable makes going with a non-porsche option a better higher quality more cost effective choice.

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