Plug n charge vs 150khz 400v dc option

[dugbug]

I’m putting an order in for a gts and added the 400v dc option to be ready for possibility of using Tesla networks in the us.
My dealer said this option disables plug and charge. Is that true? Mind you I don’t expect plug and charge to work with Tesla network

thx
-d

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[daveo4EV]

dealer BS…Tesla will not support Plug&Charge for the Taycan - they can't - that's a limitation of Porsche's Plug&Charge implementation (and all others on the market to date)…

current EV vendor implementions of Plug&Charger do not yet support multiple charging networks - that is coming but probably not until MY'2025 EV's or later and then there is a whole roll out to the charging network thing - so I wouldn't hold my breath…

so in North America only EA is supported for Plug&Charge for Porsche to date and foreseeable future.

the dealers is most likley confused by a legacy/known issue that that 19.2 kW North American charging optional hardware disabled plug&charge, but that's been addressed in MY'2022 and later models…and the 19.2 kW option makes very little sense in North America anyways…and it was never related to the 400V/150 kW option, but dealers are clueless.

• your dealer is confused
• your dealer is clueless
• your dealer knows nothing about EV's
• your dealer knows nothing about home charging
• your dealer knows nothing about public charging
• your dealer knows nothing about fastDC charging
• your dealer knows nothing about the supercharger network
• your dealer will get really confused if you mix/match home/public/AC/fast-charging questions and you can make their head explode - it's fun - try it.
• your dealer is wrong most of the time
• your dealer has no interested in selling you an EV cause there is no ongoing service requirements to augment their revenue stream
• these bullet points are factually until PROVEN false
  • I'll hold my breath for that to happen.

repeat the above bullet points on a loop until it sinks in

I'm 99.9% confident the 400V/150 kW charging booster will NOT disable Plug&Charge - if they are saying that please ask for the Porsche Technical bullietin documenting that particluar limitation with that combination of options

Plug&Charge support is listed as a standard feature of the north american Taycan's - an options combination that limites standard features would be called out by a Service/Tech bulletin (porsche's dash cam's for example mean you can't use wireless Apple Carplay) - so a limitation like this would be documented and not based on some confused sale's person's lack of understanding that they are becoming irrelevant - oh wait - off topic.

I'm pretty sure your dealer can not produce such a document because it does not exist

and I refer you to the bullet points above…

 

[dugbug]

L thanks I strongly suspected this

 

[Armyav8tor]

On my trip from AL to VA last week, plug and charge didn't worked for me. I have the 400v dc option on my 23' GTS and that was the first time using the EA network with the new car. Had a 20' 4s before so pretty familiar with the crappy EA network so I figured it was just EA being EA, now maybe it was because I have the 400v dc option. Which is fine, the app activates the charger within seconds, probably faster than the handshake process between the car and EA.

 

[Hirschaj]

On my trip from AL to VA last week, plug and charge didn't worked for me. I have the 400v dc option on my 23' GTS and that was the first time using the EA network with the new car. Had a 20' 4s before so pretty familiar with the crappy EA network so I figured it was just EA being EA, now maybe it was because I have the 400v dc option. Which is fine, the app activates the charger within seconds, probably faster than the handshake process between the car and EA.

The 400v / 150kW option does not disable P&C. I have the option on my 22 CT4 and P&C works great at EA.

 

[gtm]

I’m putting an order in for a gts and added the 400v dc option to be ready for possibility of using Tesla networks in the us.
My dealer said this option disables plug and charge. Is that true? Mind you I don’t expect plug and charge to work with Tesla network

thx
-d

I have a '23 GTS with the 150 kW charger option. I can confirm that plug and charge works. Not with any consistency, but it works and nothing is disabled.

 

[xyeahtony]

I'm 99.9% confident the 400V/150 kW charging booster will NOT disable Plug&Charge -

im 100% it doesn't disable. Now, the 19kw onboard AC charger upgrade for 2021 did disable P&C, but AFAIK that doesn't happen on 22/23 models.

Also having driven a taycan for a month, i found P&C overrated. Activating the charger on the phone and plugging in was always faster at EA. 30-45 seconds faster. For the patient types though, i guess its convenient.

 

[daveo4EV]

im 100% it doesn't disable. Now, the 19kw onboard AC charger upgrade for 2021 did disable P&C, but AFAIK that doesn't happen on 22/23 models.

Also having driven a taycan for a month, i found P&C overrated. Activating the charger on the phone and plugging in was always faster at EA. 30-45 seconds faster. For the patient types though, i guess its convenient.

thanks for the assist @xyeahtony - I have a 2020 (Plug&Charge not an option) so I can't test/speak to it - but I figured they are confusing hte 2021 19.2 kW problem.

 

[Tooney]

Unlikely that the typical Porsche dealer salesperson has actually had much hands-on time with a Taycan, beyond occasional test drives. Overcoming the knowledge gaps @daveo4EV lists in his bullet points above takes time using - charging, road-tripping, not just driving - a Taycan (and optionally other EVs), as well as lots of study.

How many times has your sales rep charged a Taycan at EA, at home, with PMCC, with PMC+, or at any location other than the chargers at the dealership? Porsche charging service and plug and charge are usually not even activated until a customer takes ownership of a car.

I don't think these knowledge gaps in dealers or new owners are intentional. It's the result of most of us including dealers being unfamiliar with really new technology.

 

[McgR]

I have a 22 CT4, 150 Kw charging is standard and I have the optional 22 Kw.

P&C works with Ionity en Fastned. With Fastned it is fast, within seconds. With Ionity much slower. I think it is the software of the charger it self that is slow not the car.

And my experience with my Taycan charging at Tesla: with the app it is really fast. The app recognizes the location and you just have to chose the stall number and it starts within seconds.

 

[W1NGE]

I’m putting an order in for a gts and added the 400v dc option to be ready for possibility of using Tesla networks in the us.
My dealer said this option disables plug and charge. Is that true? Mind you I don’t expect plug and charge to work with Tesla network

thx
-d

Nonsense.

P&C will be available if any EVSE supports it.

No correlation between 400v DC option and P&C.

 

[kort]

I’m putting an order in for a gts and added the 400v dc option to be ready for possibility of using Tesla networks in the us.
My dealer said this option disables plug and charge. Is that true? Mind you I don’t expect plug and charge to work with Tesla network

thx
-d

your dealer is a tool, he is not well informed.
yes, there was a huge problem early on with 2021 cars with the 19.2 feature. there was a conflict, possibly software, in many of the cars with the 19.2 charger that caused problems charging at EA chargers. After a lot of back and forth with Porsche they were able to finally resolve the issue with a software patch. since then there are no problems with plug and charge.

 

[kort]

I have a 22 CT4, 150 Kw charging is standard and I have the optional 22 Kw.

P&C works with Ionity en Fastned. With Fastned it is fast, within seconds. With Ionity much slower. I think it is the software of the charger it self that is slow not the car.

And my experience with my Taycan charging at Tesla: with the app it is really fast. The app recognizes the location and you just have to chose the stall number and it starts within seconds.

thanks for your insight but the issue was only on cars sold in the North american market

 

[kort]

thanks for the assist @xyeahtony - I have a 2020 (Plug&Charge not an option) so I can't test/speak to it - but I figured they are confusing hte 2021 19.2 kW problem.

which was finally resolved with a software patch

 

[kort]

On my trip from AL to VA last week, plug and charge didn't worked for me. I have the 400v dc option on my 23' GTS and that was the first time using the EA network with the new car. Had a 20' 4s before so pretty familiar with the crappy EA network so I figured it was just EA being EA, now maybe it was because I have the 400v dc option. Which is fine, the app activates the charger within seconds, probably faster than the handshake process between the car and EA.

is plug and charge turned on in your PCM?

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