🤯 Ford EV will get NACS (Tesla) charging port standard! Just announced by CEO's Farley and Musk

[satchurator]

The good thing about this is that it creates even more pressure upon EA to get it it together.

I wonder will Ford offer two ports on these future models? J-1772 and CCS on one, and NACS on the other?

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[Deleted member 6348]

As the owner of a 2023 F150 Lightning, I am pretty pumped about the news. Ford just basically disrupted the US EV market. Looking forward to getting my Ford adapter and having access to the combined CCS and Tesla networks
This news does not bode well for a wider magic dock rollout. With Ford using NACS, Tesla can now access inflation reduction act dollars without the magic dock pantomime nonsense.

 

[simcity]

Not sure this has been linked. Interesting talk between the CEOs

https://t.co/EbhWcgI9Gp

 

[DRR]

question is will it also "just" work for AC (none fast) charging? or is this fast charging only

however there are already cheap and affordable J-1772 to AC/NCAS adapter

summary:

• physical adapter for Ford Customers to use _ALL_ Superchargers (don't have to wait for Tesla) to roll out magic dock
  • and probably software support for Tesla plug&charge we'll see
• Native NCAS port on Ford vehicles starting in 2025 - so no adapter required
  • not clear if NCAS port is "in addition to" or a 2nd port on vehicle starting in 2025

no word has to if NCAS is the sole port - so home AC charging would require the same existing J-1772 adapter or Tesla EVSE that current Tesla user require - but that's no big deal

I think/hope this puts pressure on other vendors - there is _NO_ reason VW/Audi/Porsche could not do the same thing…and have a decent charging network.

heh heh hey - "purchase" the adapter from Ford and use it for my Taycan…no magic dock required.

just make the adapter available for purchase - and let the market forces fight out if Supercharger NCAS or CCS wins out - once you have adapter for both types of networks it honestly doesn't matter which one you're using

my son uses CCS when he has to and Tesla when he can - no big deal.

That’s a good point. Why couldn’t we purchase the DC adapter from Ford and use it at a Tesla SC? Maybe it’s a software issue that Porsche would have to support. I hope Porsche is considering the same as Ford. Waiting for EA to get better will take years and frankly I like the NACS better than the clunky CCS.

 

[daveo4EV]

That’s a good point. Why couldn’t we purchase the DC adapter from Ford and use it at a Tesla SC? Maybe it’s a software issue that Porsche would have to support. I hope Porsche is considering the same as Ford. Waiting for EA to get better will take years and frankly I like the NACS better than the clunky CCS.

if they support app based activation it could work
if it requires "in car" charging software we could potentially source the adapter but would have no way to activate the charging session

as I've always said this issue has never been the physical port/shape differences - it comes down to lack of business agreements - once there is a business agreement everything else will "happen" and there are multiple paths forward.

currently VW/Audi/Porsche lack a business agreement with Tesla for supercharger access in North America - the adapter or physical access is almost an after thought…

I like Ford's approach and honestly the big deal here is not the physical access, but rather access to all 12,000'ish supercharger stalls - currently non-Tesla/Ford vehicles only have access to 12 sites via MagicDock at each of those sites...

the big news here is 'total access' - kudo's to Ford for setting this precedent - now it's up to other serious EV vendors to follow suit…supercharger access in North America is now table stakes to be taken seriously in North America for selling an EV.

 

[daveo4EV]

As the owner of a 2023 F150 Lightning, I am pretty pumped about the news. Ford just basically disrupted the US EV market. Looking forward to getting my Ford adapter and having access to the combined CCS and Tesla networks
This news does not bode well for a wider magic dock rollout. With Ford using NACS, Tesla can now access inflation reduction act dollars without the magic dock pantomime nonsense.

I'm not sure NCAS addresses the issue sufficiently for access to the fed money - I still think magic dock is not the correct solution for CCS access (unbundling magic dock is the correct answer just like Tesla currently sells a CCS adapter for their vehicles) - I think the adapter should be made generally available for purchase - and app based activation will solve the problem - then any CCS vehicle has access to supercharger sites - Tesla could still control access by not allowing app based activation at some high-congestion sites (most of which BTW are urban and not road trip based)

congested urban Superchargers are less interesting to me because I don't need them to complete a trip and there is normally ample alternatives near by - what i need is supercharger access to those one or two supercharger between remote point-A and remote point-B where congestion is most likely not an issue…

Ford has proven an adapter is available, a business agreement is possible, and the technology "already works" - there is honestly _NO_ reason for other EV vendors to not follow in this space…

NCAS is nice but not required (adapter is fine)
in car charge sessions support is nice but not required (app based activation is fine)

 

[daveo4EV]

there are already 8 supercharge stalls @ Laguna Seca - for the sake of Porsche's "performance racing and track" reputation - Porsche needs to get on the ball here so I can track my Taycan @ Laguna Seca…currently you burn 50% battery doing 8 or fewer laps - so you need to leave the track between sessions to go find a flaky CCS charger that won't work…at track fast charging and you can track an EV all day just like the big kids and their fancy gas cars.

button willow also has 16+ superchargers - adapter is all we need and we're done!

there is also supercharger's at Nurburgring - wonder if Porsche is already using those to help develop the next gen EV's - I mean they are fast and reliable - why not?

 

[daveo4EV]

this is what Ford Negotiated Access to - which unlike the CCS network can be relied upon to be mostly functional and normally has at least 8 stalls active if not more at most sites (16-24 stalls is common)

NOTE: Ford negotiated also pays dividends in the future because there are more stations comming - the supercharger network is "not done" - there are impressive/interesting additions already permitted and under construction - this network is a beast and I for one am very excited as an EV enthusiast for this potential access

becuase honestly EA and the others suck - you know it's true - Elon has won this one - so let's ride his coat tails and not buy his cars but use his charging network.

this is the app BTW for this map - it's super useful and show existing and upcoming supercharger sites…

https://apps.apple.com/app/id1056496235

 

[Deleted member 6348]

I'm not sure NCAS addresses the issue sufficiently for access to the fed money - I still think magic dock is not the correct solution for CCS access (unbundling magic dock is the correct answer just like Tesla currently sells a CCS adapter for their vehicles) - I think the adapter should be made generally available for purchase - and app based activation will solve the problem - then any CCS vehicle has access to supercharger sites - Tesla could still control access by not allowing app based activation at some high-congestion sites (most of which BTW are urban and not road trip based)

congested urban Superchargers are less interesting to me because I don't need them to complete a trip and there is normally ample alternatives near by - what i need is supercharger access to those one or two supercharger between remote point-A and remote point-B where congestion is most likely not an issue…

Ford has proven an adapter is available, a business agreement is possible, and the technology "already works" - there is honestly _NO_ reason for other EV vendors to not follow in this space…

NCAS is nice but not required (adapter is fine)
in car charge sessions support is nice but not required (app based activation is fine)

Magic Dock was always BS.

The key thing here is that the adapter will be integrated into the Ford Pass platform which is the Plug & Charge solution on the Ford cars. That bodes well for a seamless experience for Ford customers and will prevent non-Ford cars from using the Superchargers unless they work out a similar deal with Tesla. I suspect that Ford's adoption of NACS for their next generation of EVs was a key part of that deal.

Yes, this should/will likely force the hand of another EV automaker to make a deal with Tesla. With that being said, the possibility also exists that Ford negotiated some kind of exclusivity period that may prevent others from immediately hopping on the bandwagon.

As for availability, the CCS charging networks are truly expansive. In some areas of the country, they outnumber local Tesla Superchargers. I have yet to experience "I wish that I could use that supercharger", but have run into at least half-a-dozen Tesla owners pulling into an EA charger, running on "fumes" with no way to charge.

I likely will continue to favor CCS locations, but agreed, it will be nice to have the Supercharger access as a backup.

 

[daveo4EV]

Magic Dock was always BS.

The key thing here is that the adapter will be integrated into the Ford Pass platform which is the Plug & Charge solution on the Ford cars. That bodes well for a seamless experience for Ford customers and will prevent non-Ford cars from using the Superchargers unless they work out a similar deal with Tesla. I suspect that Ford's adoption of NACS for their next generation of EVs was a key part of that deal.

Yes, this should/will likely force the hand of another EV automaker to make a deal with Tesla. With that being said, the possibility also exists that Ford negotiated some kind of exclusivity period that may prevent others from immediately hopping on the bandwagon.

As for availability, the CCS charging networks are truly expansive. In some areas of the country, they outnumber local Tesla Superchargers. I have yet to experience "I wish that I could use that supercharger", but have run into at least half-a-dozen Tesla owners pulling into an EA charger, running on "fumes" with no way to charge.

I likely will continue to favor CCS locations, but agreed, it will be nice to have the Supercharger access as a backup.

it's going to be really really interesting to watch this play out…

I'm thrilled Ford has put this issue in the spotlight…

your move other EV vendors & CCS network!

I love me some competition!

 

[4424]

Having used CCS and NACS extensively, NACS is many times better, both in the size of the plug/cable/mobility and the quality of the networks.

 

[RAHRCR]

Big collaborations which include a technical component is hard. Ford engineers will be forced to “play nice” with the way Tesla has set up their charging approach and will have to beg Tesla for permission to implement future innovations that could impact the Tesla approach to EV networks. I dont charge outside my home but I appreciate innovations like the 800V architecture. Perhaps if there was a single standard that wasnt centered around a specific company/car maker, I could get on board….not sure.

 

[Raek]

nothing says "reading the room" more than doing Twitter Spaces immediately following DeSantis' completely error-free presidential loss.

I'd steer clear of any business that still regards Elon Musk as a competent human.

 

[daveo4EV]

watch this - Ford CEO on CNBC

• Ford has realized CCS sucks - has a lot of problems
• charger reliability is not where it needs to be to allow adoption
• CCS charging vendors lack motivation to address the core issues
• design by committed which has a lot of legacy requirements that make no sense
• Ford CEO traveling w/kids found Tesla's sites were better located and more stalls and frustrated he could not charge at those locations
• easier cable to actually be handled by humans
• need access to both CCS and Superchargers not one or the other - both
• software driven solution (ford pass for charging support) and controlling user experience
• CCS to NCAS adapter for every existing CCS Ford Customer - not just future customers
• seamless payments via FordPass
• CCS plug design is prone to break if dropped based on 3 years of usage data - requires charger maintenance visit once this happens
  • NACS cable more resilient to adversity - smaller denser design with less "shell" - compact density less prone to drop damage
• 2x the number of charger Ford customers have access to overnight

the path forward for Porsche could follow ford - activation your Tesla supercharger session via myPorsch app just like you do for EA today - launch the app - find your location - tap the location and press the start charging button on the screen - same way it works today for EA…there Is nothing stopping this technically or functionally…business politics is the only thing standing in the way.

there is no technical issue - just a lack of motivation.

 

[daveo4EV]

and for those that do not know EVERY Tesla ever sold includes once of these adatpers

https://shop.tesla.com/product/sae-j1772-charging-adapter

this adapter is cheap, easy, passive and simply allows _ANY_ NCAS vehicle/port to use a North American standard 120V/240V AC J-1772 EVSE - this is how TEsla's access and charge via all the non-FastDC public chargers - so this same/existing adapter would allow NCAS vehicles to use existing J-1772 EVSE's (like the PMC+/PMCC/WallBox/ClipperCreek etc…).

so with two existing adapters an NCAS vehicle can access all possible charging systems - and any mix of J-1772/CCS/NCAS plugs/adatpers can be provided and you can access any type of charge assuming billing/activation can be worked out.

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