GM follows Ford with NACS Tesla charge port adoption -- time to ditch CCS1 (at least the physcial design)

[satchurator]

The connector is irrelevant. The cable on the Tesla chargers cannot reach the Taycan charging port. The Tesla chargers and the Tesla vehicles are designed for the Tesla to back in and then plug in at the rear quarter panel. I tried to reach a charger and had to parallel park across three chargers. Still the cable would barely reach.

This is me in Brewster NY in my now apparently worthless CT4 (enjoying my 150kW onboard charger that Team Hyperbole also said was worthless since Tesla would 'never' open the Supercharger network).

The Supercharger V3 cables are painfully short but can be workable depending on the dispenser location / kerb height, presence of bollards etc. There are nicer side-on and pull-through stalls in some of the MagicDock locations.

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[daveo4EV]

This is me in Brewster NY in my now apparently worthless CT4 (enjoying my 150kW onboard charger that Team Hyperbole also said was worthless since Tesla would 'never' open the Supercharger network).

OMG flashbacks to high school where I would never get picked (or picked last) for a "team" - I was never on team hyperbole and have been a strong advocate for always getting the 400V/150kW charging option.

50+ years old and i still can't get picked for a team - {sigh} things never change.

 

[nickmdp]

I mean no offense to anyone in here, but some of you guys are sounding like you might have a heart attack getting yourselves worked up over trying to read between the lines about the news in the past few weeks. Ford and GM have announced changes that are going to take a long time to come to fruition. If VWAG/EA are going to announce a change as a result of the recent news, it could be weeks or months down the line, and still result in the same rough timelines for consumers as Ford/GM.

Yes, let your dealer know that you want Porsche/VWAG to make a similar decision, but it's important to know that in the short term nothing is changing for anyone, including Ford/GM owners, and that any long term implications of resale value can change in an instant if VWAG makes a similar announcement.

I'll start worrying if we get to EOY and there's no signs of VWAG making an adjustment here.

 

[EVmaniak]

I do fully agree with you on all of this !!

They would never exists on their own merit, they only survive because of the injected VW money.

root causes are difficult to get to but often explain lots of things…

EA's foundation is a legal agreement for "bad behiavor" by VW/Audi/Porsche - it was not founded from a position of "we want to be in this business" - it was founded as a Penalty for lying about emissions from their vehicle sales - they are not "driven" by the goal of Electrification - they are driven to match the consent degree requiring them to install stations - the decree also has a requirement for operational minimums which they are not meeting, but it's unclear which agency in US govt would pursue enforcement and so far none are stepping up to make EA honor it obligations…

fundamentally EA isn't an "honest" business and would not exist on merit if it were not for diesel-gate - there is your "core" problem - their entire business is a legal requirement, not a "passion" for what they are doing.

say many things about Tesla, but a lack of passion is not one of them.

 

[EVmaniak]

Sure but there was indeed a question and it was in my first post in this thread and about my new Taycan GTS arriving next week ... just read it.

Yes of course we have choice and select the car we want with our $$$, but practically and SADLY if you care about medium to big road trips, there is only one valid choice at the moment : a Tesla because of the reliability and spread of the SuC network. Everything else is pure crap.

That's a fact and be sure I don't like to say that because we got a Model 3 Perf in 2019 and that was the worse car even we got (for multiple reasons) so I am no Tesla fan boy in any way.

if you charge your Taycan at home and only do small trips that's fine, but that's definitely not my use case.

As for me, this morning I was already at my fav dealership to check about some 911s.

With all due respect, no one is making a joke out of this. Also, your post did not ask a question, it’s simply stated what you believe to be the facts.

I think the suggestion that each of us look at other EVs is a reasonable one. No car is a forever purchase. We can all make choices with our dollars and find an EV with rapid charging capability that we want to drive. While I love my Porsche Taycan, it’s not the only EV in the world. But for the record, I plan to keep it.

 

[EVmaniak]

Nice but you are indeed forgetting to mention a critical point here: you are not parked in the slot for this charger but on the next one... This is issue as been reported at length by many YouTubers ;-)

This is me in Brewster NY in my now apparently worthless CT4 (enjoying my 150kW onboard charger that Team Hyperbole also said was worthless since Tesla would 'never' open the Supercharger network).

The Supercharger V3 cables are painfully short but can be workable depending on the dispenser location / kerb height, presence of bollards etc. There are nicer side-on and pull-through stalls in some of the MagicDock locations.

 

[Scandinavian]

Nice but you are indeed forgetting to mention a critical point here: you are not parked in the slot for this charger but on the next one... This is issue as been reported at length by many YouTubers ;-)

I think youare wrong. Tesla have the charging port on the left rear and if you drive straight in with the TAYCAN IT IS THE SAME. NO ISSUES AT ALL! PERFECT IN MY MIND!

 

[EVmaniak]

Ohh yes you are indeed correct in your photo ! So I don't know why so many YouTubers complained about it.

I think youare wrong. Tesla have the charging port on the left rear and if you drive straight in with the TAYCAN IT IS THE SAME. NO ISSUES AT ALL! PERFECT IN MY MIND!

 

[daveo4EV]

Ohh yes you are indeed correct in your photo ! So I don't know why so many YouTubers complained about it.

because "it just works" youTube videos don't get a lot of views - drama drama drama gets the views - even if there isn't any - you need to make it up

to be clear the cord length issue is a real issue and will need to be addressed - but this is not honestly a problem since the fix can be done if there is sufficient motivation - nothing needs to be invented here - the work just needs to be done and I'm confident it will be done when there is sufficient demand.

 

[EVmaniak]

Agree but does Tesla have the motivation to retrofit a longer cable on v3 SuC ? probably not...

because "it just works" youTube videos don't get a lot of views - drama drama drama gets the views - even if there isn't any - you need to make it up

to be clear the cord length issue is a real issue and will need to be addressed - but this is not honestly a problem since the fix can be done if there is sufficient motivation - nothing needs to be invented here - the work just needs to be done and I'm confident it will be done when there is sufficient demand.

 

[daveo4EV]

Agree but does Tesla have the motivation to retrofit a longer cable on v3 SuC ? probably not...

with Ford and GM in the picture there is a tacit admission their network is "suitable" for other EV's - that would seem to be sufficient motivation IMHO…we'll see how this plays out. This is not an insurmountable problem - Tesla will be retrofitting existing superchargers w/longer cables long before VW/Audi/Porsche admits they need to deal with this situation.

 

[tchavei]

As an European I want to say this before unsubscribing this thread as it has derailed for the most part:

1 - great you US guys are finally coming together around an universal standard (NACS). By what many said, it seems superior to CCS1 so power to you guys and I hope every network is going to adopt it and car manufacturers (and 3rd parties) will make the necessary adapters and ship cars with NACS in the future;

2 - Be very beware of handing your entire EV future in the hands of a lunatic. Albeit I agree totally on #1, it has nothing to do with allowing tesla to make a charging monopoly. In the end, the consumer ALWAYS loses. It's competition that keep companies in check. I don't think it's a great idea wishing EA to just die. Once tesla has the monopoly, they won't be as nice as they are right now and they're going to milk the cash cow. Classic economics 101

3 - I've seen talks about deprecation because of plugs compatibility etc. I hope these people are joking or trolling.

a) cars aren't investments. They're depreciative assets. An almost 'mass' produced model like the Taycan can't hold its value over time. It just won't. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just lying to himself or to his wife/husband. NACS or no NACS. It will lose value. Deal with it.

b) Who tf cares about depreciation? Unless one is swapping cars every year or two, just suck it up. It doesn't matter. There are no free rides. Want to drive a fantastic car that will fullfill your childhood dreams, pay for it, write the value off and just enjoy the bloody car.

4 - I'm typing this while charging my baby at a 50kW charger near my home. CCS2. Grin on my face while watching a movie, writing this post and just enjoying some time alone.

Peace

 

[snstevens]

As an European I want to say this before unsubscribing this thread as it has derailed for the most part:

1 - great you US guys are finally coming together around an universal standard (NACS). By what many said, it seems superior to CCS1 so power to you guys and I hope every network is going to adopt it and car manufacturers (and 3rd parties) will make the necessary adapters and ship cars with NACS in the future;

2 - Be very beware of handing your entire EV future in the hands of a lunatic. Albeit I agree totally on #1, it has nothing to do with allowing tesla to make a charging monopoly. In the end, the consumer ALWAYS loses. It's competition that keep companies in check. I don't think it's a great idea wishing EA to just die. Once tesla has the monopoly, they won't be as nice as they are right now and they're going to milk the cash cow. Classic economics 101

3 - I've seen talks about deprecation because of plugs compatibility etc. I hope these people are joking or trolling.

a) cars aren't investments. They're depreciative assets. An almost 'mass' produced model like the Taycan can't hold its value over time. It just won't. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just lying to himself or to his wife/husband. NACS or no NACS. It will lose value. Deal with it.

b) Who tf cares about depreciation? Unless one is swapping cars every year or two, just suck it up. It doesn't matter. There are no free rides. Want to drive a fantastic car that will fullfill your childhood dreams, pay for it, write the value off and just enjoy the bloody car.

4 - I'm typing this while charging my baby at a 50kW charger near my home. CCS2. Grin on my face while watching a movie, writing this post and just enjoying some time alone.

Peace

Well said. Totally agree.

 

[tigerbalm]

I think youare wrong. Tesla have the charging port on the left rear and if you drive straight in with the TAYCAN IT IS THE SAME. NO ISSUES AT ALL! PERFECT IN MY MIND!

Yes, the Irish/UK/Australian Taycan's are at more of a disadvantage at Tesla chargers until longer cables are the norm.

We always have to choose our stalls wisely if we don't want to be parked like an a**hole.

 

[mlambert890]

So tell me, why should I buy this $160k (before tax) beautiful new Taycan GTS which I spent countless hours to configure and ... which I will struggle charging and which value will drop like a stone ?

Huh? Can you show me where I suggested you should go buy another Taycan? You were talking about dumping your current one, and then "going back to 911". You're still talking about this.

You said "enjoy your depreciation". Depreciation is only relevant if you sell the car. That's my whole point.

Comparing Taycan depreciation to a 911 is way off. It should be compared to a Panny (big, 4 door, sedan - unpopular segment) and, against the Panny, it's about even.

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