Porsche Navigation vs ABRP vs Apple Maps EV Routing -- Pros and Cons

[tchavei]

My experience is of course limited to Europe! I have not found the app to be close to reality. It has shown me stations that were not in the Charging services, stations that came up in search and then disappeared. Stations with completely wrong info on charging points. Might be 2 50 kW and 10 11 kW. Stated as 12 x 475 kW! I have had countless phone calls, emails, and tickets with smart mobility but all in vain. You have to look yourself and try them. The app has sent me to many Total and Freshmile services that refused to start. And the help line was very helpful. “”Unfortunately there is nothing we can do!””

Here is one example!

This is one and the same station in reality, but two different locations in the app. And it just refused to acknowledge my Porsche Card.

Ionity, Fastned and most Aral Pulse stations worked fantastic, but you really need to plan your trip!

Totally agree

There's a 25kW station about 200m from my home that's identified by Porsche NAV as 400kW ?

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[tigerbalm]

I have found it very inferior and sometimes totally useless.

Not doubting your experiences for a moment @Scandinavian. The built in navigation is powered by www.here.com and they are very serious about what they do. Not as well known as the Google's and Apple's but their platform has a long history: starting out as Navteq, getting bought by Nokia, ending up inside Microsoft for a while before being carved out to be independent again – with a lot of German car manufactures as their primary investors.

I generally have found it okay – and use it on road-trips to navigate towns and cities I'm in for the first time. I definitely am wary of one-way roads and you can't really trust any navigation system not to send you the wrong way down those at times.

I am also grateful that Porsche integrated the Google Places API into their search – as they have by far the best POI database out there – which is nice to have access to from within the Apps and PCM.

 

[Scandinavian]

Maybe it is the lack of communication issues that I get at times, that upset the PCM? I am very well aware of the history of Here. I worked for Nokia at the time.

I owned a 2003 Cayenne and had the Navteq system in that. We went from a town down here called Opio to St Paul de Vence. Country lanes I know. It sent me and my son down a dirt track where the car barely fitted. But being an off roader of sorts, we got through. It was planned as the fastest route. It was not!

If I plan the same route in the Taycan now 20 years later, guess what route is shown?The SAME!

It is the shortest as the crow flies but….

On motorways in France ok!

 

[TDinDC]

Ok, so I have the system working and can confirm that my preferred EVGo chargers show up as chargers on Porsche NAV, which means that the battery will be preconditioned, right? Also, I assume that “1/3 vac” means that 1 of 3 chargers is currently available. Is that correct? Do we know how often this is refreshed? It cannot be real time, can it?

 

[Scandinavian]

Ok, so I have the system working and can confirm that my preferred EVGo chargers show up as chargers on Porsche NAV, which means that the battery will be preconditioned, right? Also, I assume that “1/3 vac” means that 1 of 3 chargers is currently available. Is that correct? Do we know how often this is refreshed? It cannot be real time, can it?

No idea how often it updates, but it does update for me. Is it accurate? Sometimes other times not but it has been dynamic!

Once you have found that charger you need to make sure you look for charging stations nearby in the PCM and set that as your destination/stopover . In that case your battery should preheat nicely!

 

[Gru]

talking about preheat, I have a pending software update: "Battery HT"
it says it'll improve battery life and charging speed.

 

[DerekS]

talking about preheat, I have a pending software update: "Battery HT"
it says it'll improve battery life and charging speed.

Is that an over the air update?

 

[Gru]

yes.
I'll try to take screenshots.

 

[Gru]

update WNW2.
old story in fact: other members got it last Feb.

 

[TDinDC]

I doubt it. I've seen it heat the battery to over 100F on approach, regardless of outside temps in the 90s.


AFAIK as long as it knows that it's a charger site, it will do it. I could be wrong.

So here is what caused me to ask my question. Here, I am traveling using Porsche Nav to just a normal address with no preconditioning. Temps are in 70 and my battery is at 94 degrees. Isn’t that within the range that preconditioning seeks such that maybe it is less important during certain temps to use Porsche Nav even though you prefer Waze just to get preconditioning. Also, does preconditioning ever cool the battery or just heat it?

 

[submatrix]

So here is what caused me to ask my question. Here, I am traveling using Porsche Nav to just a normal address with no preconditioning. Temps are in 70 and my battery is at 94 degrees. Isn’t that within the range that preconditioning seeks such that maybe it is less important during certain temps to use Porsche Nav even though you prefer Waze just to get preconditioning. Also, does preconditioning ever cool the battery or just heat it?

I don't have any data to back this up, but I also suspect preconditioning in this case is not really going to make much of a difference, at least here in the US when using EA. I've literally never hit the theoretical max of 270 kW, or even close to it, at an EA station. I think the best I've seen was ~200kW, and that was only maybe once. Usually when I'm road tripping around California, I get more like 150kW, and I don't really see the speeds rise that much over the course of my 15-30 min session.

Edit: I should also add that driving around California is often going to have warm ambient temps anyway, making preconditioning even less useful.

 

[Scandinavian]

So here is what caused me to ask my question. Here, I am traveling using Porsche Nav to just a normal address with no preconditioning. Temps are in 70 and my battery is at 94 degrees. Isn’t that within the range that preconditioning seeks such that maybe it is less important during certain temps to use Porsche Nav even though you prefer Waze just to get preconditioning. Also, does preconditioning ever cool the battery or just heat it?

94 F is about 33 C?? It is close but for me the preheating can bring the battery up to about 38 - 40 C, which I think is about 105 F?? Whether that really makes a huge difference I do not know? But I have many times got more than 250 kW with Ionity chargers. Only one way for you to find out and that is to set a charger as destination a fair bit away and as a charger and then connect!

 

[TDinDC]

94 F is about 33 C?? It is close but for me the preheating can bring the battery up to about 38 - 40 C, which I think is about 105 F?? Whether that really makes a huge difference I do not know? But I have many times got more than 250 kW with Ionity chargers. Only one way for you to find out and that is to set a charger as destination a fair bit away and as a charger and then connect!

By the time I arrived at charger battery was already 110. This is my first time at EA, and I hate it as rate keeps jumping between near 200 to 70. Not stable. Never again. Back to EVGo even though I must pay.

 

[AmpedUp]

By the time I arrived at charger battery was already 110. This is my first time at EA, and I hate it as rate keeps jumping between near 200 to 70. Not stable. Never again. Back to EVGo even though I must pay.

I'd be interested in the outcome at EVGo to see if there is a difference. Humble request from me to please report back on your experience with EVGo. I've mostly charged at EA simply because it's free, but I charged once at EVGo. It was a great experience. I would even consider paying to avoid EA as well, and I'm generally pretty frugal.

 

[TDinDC]

I'd be interested in the outcome at EVGo to see if there is a difference. Humble request from me to please report back on your experience with EVGo. I've mostly charged at EA simply because it's free, but I charged once at EVGo. It was a great experience. I would even consider paying to avoid EA as well, and I'm generally pretty frugal.

I have been to EVGo several times and it’s always been awesome BUT I’ve been to only a few ones in Philadelphia and in New York on way to Syracuse so my sample size is small . . .

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