Electrify America to Add NACS Connector by 2025, While Continuing CCS Support

[whitex]

For those who are excited and cannot wait for EA to support NACS, you can achieve 99% of its functionality TODAY by using this adapter below, so really, EA announcing NACS connector availability by 2025 means you 2025 you will not have to buy/carry the $175 adapter, nothing more. It won't make EA more reliable (ok, perhaps the physical CCS1 problems go away, but honestly, in all down EA chargers I've ever seen, none of them seem to have a broken handle), it won't make it charge faster, or any other improvements over today's CCS1 really.

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[daveo4EV]

Any theories on why they are doing this? It would be much easier for Tesla to manage payments/authorization through its own app, instead of a variety of apps from different vendors. Every time a Tesla supercharger fails to charge, it's usually Tesla that gets the blame, even if it's the secondary network (e.g. when EA doesn't charge because Porsche fails to authorize, EA is the one blames for poor reliability).

if I had any idea why Tesla did anything I'd be a much richer man…I think it's a power move by Elon - since everyone in industry really really didn't want them to succeed - making them come to the mountain is the ultimate humiliation…

but it's true Tesla could uni-laterally "open" and provide "functional" access to most/nearly-all of the North American sites…

I'm personally pleased to see NACS replace CCS1 (less so J-1772 it's not as bad as CCS1 but "meh") - europe's CCS2 connector would've also be acceptable…

access to the SC network via Adapter is 100% fine IMHO…

Tesla could/should do this for all EV's - it matches their mission statement - I'd be find with them holding back "congested urban" sites - but opening "roadtrip" worthy sights should be a no brainer…

but I obviously don't rule the world...so I'm along for the ride.

 

[daveo4EV]

For those who are excited and cannot wait for EA to support NACS, you can achieve 99% of its functionality TODAY by using this adapter below, so really, EA announcing NACS connector availability by 2025 means you 2025 you will not have to buy/carry the $175 adapter, nothing more. It won't make EA more reliable (ok, perhaps the physical CCS1 problems go away, but honestly, in all down EA chargers I've ever seen, none of them seem to have a broken handle), it won't make it charge faster, or any other improvements over today's CCS1 really.

this is for a NACS vehicle to access EA CCS1 chargers…

it would not help a CCS1 vehicle access a NACS EA station…

 

[whitex]

this is for a NACS vehicle to access EA CCS1 chargers…

it would not help a CCS1 vehicle access a NACS EA station…

Yea, what does that have to do with the announcement from EA being discussed here? All they said is they will include NACS on their chargers, which adds the ability of NACS cars to access EA, but that is already possible via a $175 adapter, so really, nothing particularly exciting for CCS1 cars, other than maybe we'll see more Tesla cars at EA causing longer lines.

 

[RAHRCR]

Electrify America to add North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector by 2025

Electrify America continues to support CCS-1 plug standard while adding the availability of the NACS connector

Reston, VA (June 29, 2023) – Electrify America announced today it will add the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector to Electrify America and Electrify Canada’s fast charging networks as part of the company’s commitment to broaden charging solutions for electric vehicle (EV) drivers today and in the future.

Electrify America will continue to provide the Combined Charging System (CCS-1) connector throughout its network as it transitions to also support automakers adding NACS charging ports. The company will work to offer a NACS connector option at existing and future charging stations by 2025 to make charging as convenient as possible for EV owners.

“Since our founding, we have focused on building an inclusive and open hyper-fast charging network to facilitate the adoption of electric vehicles,” said Robert Barrosa, president and CEO of Electrify America. “We look forward to continuing to support industry-wide standards that increase vehicle interoperability and streamline public charging.”

In addition to working with The Charging Interface Initiative (CharIN) and SAE International, Electrify America is participating in the newly created National Charging Experience Consortium (ChargeX), which will focus on strengthening the national charging infrastructure and improving the EV ownership experience.

As e-mobility accelerates, Electrify America will continue to deliver what the customers need. The addition of the NACS connector continues Electrify America’s commitment to drive EV adoption forward and its focus on providing ultra-fast charging for all EVs. The fast-charging network has more than 850 charging stations with about 4,000 individual chargers in the United States and Canada. Electrify America and Electrify Canada stations feature chargers at 150 kilowatts (kW) and 350kW, some of the fastest charging speeds available today.

By opening up Electrify America’s fast charging network to the hundreds of thousands of current and future EV drivers, it will support the EV industry growth by providing more charging options. As the company’s inclusion of the NACS connector continues to evolve, Electrify America will share further updates on its progress, along with current and future station update plans over the coming months.

Sending EA positive vibes on their endeavor. Seems like a no brainer to hedge their bets this way. Any non-Tesla alternatives are a ? in my book.

 

[snstevens]

The business of putting electrons in EV batteries as fast as possible is going to replace gasoline distribution as one of the most important businesses of our time. With that in mind, I think Tesla has a unique opportunity to dominate EV charging by simply opening their charging network to all EVs.

Tesla has at least a 5-10 year lead on its competition, and all they need to do is roll out a payment model using the Tesla app, and sell a CCS1 -> NACS adapter. IMO, for at least 10 years (vs. 40 for John D Rockefeller and Standard Oil) Tesla would dominate EV charging and become to transportation what Standard Oil meant to oil and gasoline production.

 

[daveo4EV]

The business of putting electrons in EV batteries as fast as possible is going to replace gasoline distribution as one of the most important businesses of our time. With that in mind, I think Tesla has a unique opportunity to dominate EV charging by simply opening their charging network to all EVs.

Tesla has at least a 5-10 year lead on its competition, and all they need to do is roll out a payment model using the Tesla app, and sell a CCS1 -> NACS adapter. IMO, for at least 10 years (vs. 40 for John D Rockefeller and Standard Oil) Tesla would dominate EV charging and become to transportation what Standard Oil meant to oil and gasoline production.

meanwhile in germany and texas…

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42295419/porsche-efuel-water-car-fuel-chile-production/
https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a43756208/efuel-production-coming-to-texas/
https://www.euractiv.com/section/tr...-much-pollutants-as-fossil-fuels-study-finds/

The tests compared e-fuel with E10 petrol, the standard blend in the EU, which includes 10% ethanol and 90% unleaded fossil fuel. They found that synthetic fuels emit similar levels of nitrogen oxides, almost three times more carbon monoxide, and up to twice the amount of ammonia.

it may or may not be entirely CO2 neutral - but still produces all (apparently more of some) the pollutants when burned beyond CO2 emissions that are harmful to people and such…and has got to consume a metric sh*t-ton of Electricity renewable or otherwise…

one would almost thing they are not "all in" on this whole EV thing…and seeing their EA efforts - one might be right.

 

[snstevens]

meanwhile in germany and texas…

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42295419/porsche-efuel-water-car-fuel-chile-production/
https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a43756208/efuel-production-coming-to-texas/
https://www.euractiv.com/section/tr...-much-pollutants-as-fossil-fuels-study-finds/



it may or may not be entirely CO2 neutral - but still produces all (apparently more of some) the pollutants when burned beyond CO2 emissions that are harmful to people and such…and has got to consume a metric sh*t-ton of Electricity renewable or otherwise…

one would almost thing they are not "all in" on this whole EV thing…and seeing their EA efforts - one might be right.

Remember the phrase "Clean Coal"?? Seems a lot like E-fuels to me

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/column-clean-coal-mean-can-save-planet

 

[daveo4EV]

Remember the phrase "Clean Coal"?? Seems a lot like E-fuels to me

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/column-clean-coal-mean-can-save-planet

yeah I remember…

years ago my first EV was a Ford Focus - good car - better than the leaf IMHO - I learned from that never buy an EV from the "existing guys" - their hearts just are not in it - it was a side show to them - I moved to Tesla's and was in them until 2020 when I got my Taycan - Porsche is not quite as bad as Ford was with my focus - but they are still distracted and have yet to burn the boats in the harbor…to motivate the crew (eFuel is even a life line subtle message that they prefer business as usual)

say what you want about Tesla, many many things, some even true (both the good and the bad) but you can not question their focus on EV's…and it shows…

I still question VW (and other's) focus…it's like walking into a restaurant and you can just tell it's not going to go well - they are still not "all in"…

even EA's "commitment" to NACS is still waffling - they can't even admit when they need to pivot or that CCS1's physical design is lacking greatness…and that something better needed to be done.

Electrify America will continue to provide the Combined Charging System (CCS-1) connector throughout its network as it transitions to also support automakers adding NACS charging ports. The company will work to offer a NACS connector option at existing and future charging stations by 2025 to make charging as convenient as possible for EV owners.

that quote does not smell like "endorsement" - it's we're going to have to do this otherwise it's just blatantly obvious we don't know what we're doing or even care - and while that's true - we don't want it to look that way.

I'm still not going back to Tesla - been there done that - but OMG I really want a good EV with a company where that is they daily focus…we're not there yet - unless you want a Tesla.

 

[PNWTaycan4S]

And it gets even better: Volkswagen in discussions with Tesla over its charging standard | Reuters

I've been kicking around ordering a new 2024 but it hasn't been possible in the PNW to find a dealer that would accept an order. With this good news I'll just get an extended warranty on my 2020 and anticipate an order for a new 2025 GTS somewhere nationally. Lots of new choices by then, so maybe another manufacturer, but having a new Taycan with a NACS plug would be terrific. Perhaps by then Porsche might also have new battery chemistry, longer range, and better software!

 

[whitex]

The business of putting electrons in EV batteries as fast as possible is going to replace gasoline distribution as one of the most important businesses of our time. With that in mind, I think Tesla has a unique opportunity to dominate EV charging by simply opening their charging network to all EVs.

Tesla has at least a 5-10 year lead on its competition, and all they need to do is roll out a payment model using the Tesla app, and sell a CCS1 -> NACS adapter. IMO, for at least 10 years (vs. 40 for John D Rockefeller and Standard Oil) Tesla would dominate EV charging and become to transportation what Standard Oil meant to oil and gasoline production.

Even if electrons would replace octanes joule for joule (they won’t, EV’s are way more efficient) the market size for DC charger electrons would still be much smaller than for oil today. Majority of car electrons will be sold through AC charging which is either residential power or at work/businesses and usually free, serving as a customer acquisition method, as they are too slow to feasibly monetize.

That said, Tesla may in fact be after way more than just fast EV charging, but rather using their batteries in both residential and commercial deployments, as micro-grids, supplemented by their solar. They could become the largest energy (re)seller in North America, buying from producers (small renewables and/or grid), storing it in their batteries distributed across residential, EV chargers, commercial deployments, then reselling it for some profit.

 

[whitex]

I've been kicking around ordering a new 2024 but it hasn't been possible in the PNW to find a dealer that would accept an order.

What does that mean? ? Do you mean they don’t have any MY24 allocations, have waiting lists way longer than the allocations they expect to get so no loner signing people up on waitlists, have too many new cars in stock/in-transit so not ordering new ones until inventory gets cleared out, or perhaps you found yourself on their naughty list and they banned you from buying a Porsche in the PNW for some time, or something else entirely?

 

[nickmdp]

even EA's "commitment" to NACS is still waffling - they can't even admit when they need to pivot or that CCS1's physical design is lacking greatness…and that something better needed to be done.

that quote does not smell like "endorsement" - it's we're going to have to do this otherwise it's just blatantly obvious we don't know what we're doing or even care - and while that's true - we don't want it to look that way.

Sir, this is a Wendy's press release. You're reading way too deeply into it. For all we know, EA is planning to have only some very mild support for CCS the same way they currently do for CHAdeMO right now.

Announcing a full abandonment of CCS right now would also scare the heck out of anyone buying their first EV with CCS, especially someone looking at a car from VWAG, which has yet to announce adoption of NACS. It really just seems like you've got an axe to grind here and you're just looking for opportunities to take shots at EA. I don't disagree that there's plenty to complain about related to EA, but this is genuinely a good thing.

 

[Zcd1]

Any theories on why they are doing this? It would be much easier for Tesla to manage payments/authorization through its own app, instead of a variety of apps from different vendors.

Tesla may be planning to leverage the already-available "Charge your non-Tesla" tab in the Tesla mobile app to allow other brands to use their chargers. That tab was introduced when the "Magic-Dock" was rolled out, but I'm betting the Magic Dock will prove to be a technological dead-end now that there's cooperation between Tesla and the other manufacturers...

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Yea, what does that have to do with the announcement from EA being discussed here? All they said is they will include NACS on their chargers, which adds the ability of NACS cars to access EA, but that is already possible via a $175 adapter, so really, nothing particularly exciting for CCS1 cars, other than maybe we'll see more Tesla cars at EA causing longer lines.

The reason this announcement is (a) big (relief, for me) is that it shows commitment on behalf of EA and VAG to continue supporting already-sold CCS cars. That is, they’re willing to spend the money to align with NACS, instead of folding/looking for the exit. (Less for VAG, more for EA.) That, in turn, means I’ll continue to have options for charging my almost-obsoleted strictly-CCS mobile - both to EA stations (they’ll stay up/open) and possibly Tesla (because VAG is in talks). Without either of these announcements, the future of road tripping looked bleak to me.

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