New Porsche batteries coming with 800 mile range

[or1]

Maybe we should clarify the article. It says:



So this is not a statement from Porsche that they will release a product with this range, but an estimation of a professor working on battery technology. Clearly saying that such a range can be expected in the medium term. Whatever medium term means in the end.

There is no doubling in range just coming over night or within a year. The improvements will be gradual.

Prof. Fichtner is an impressive researcher I think - look him up on YouTube. But the quote from him above is no more or less than what we already know: there will be good improvements some years ahead.

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[feye]

Nissan / Toyota will be first with solid state (2027) and so this is a long way off yet.

Brave prediction!

They wanted to have it in mass production for the Tokyo olympics, right? When was that? They all suffer from teslartis, announce everything, deliver NOTHING!

 

[AndiL]

@or1 he absolutely his, I follow him closely

But a researcher saying what he expects in the medium term means it is not even there yet in research. And moving from research to production is a long way

 

[feye]

also I find it very very very unlikely we'll see 800 mile EV's - more likely we will see "300" mile EV's that are smaller/lighter - increasing battery density means you can carry around 100 kWh of capacity in less volume/weight...

I thought the same, until I got my 140kWh Zeekr 001. It has almost the same weight as the 100kWh version. I really don't care about the weight, the range on the other hand is simply awsome.

 

[feye]

@or1 he absolutely his, I follow him closely

But a researcher saying what he expects in the medium term means it is not even there yet in research. And moving from research to production is a long way

Not only a long way. The obstical is the massive investment in production lines and tech. Even if the new battery is great, if it cannot run off current production line with small changes, the cost might be too high for the benefit you get for the customer. Every car company is in the same boat on this.

My sense is, that all these car companies had just made huge investments, and they need to milk them for a decade to make it viable economically. That's the reason nothing much changes on the Taycan in the years to come.

 

[snstevens]

I thought the same, until I got my 140kWh Zeekr 001. It has almost the same weight as the 100kWh version. I really don't care about the weight, the range on the other hand is simply awsome.

I wish my Taycan had another 50 to 100 miles of range (310-360), but I have no clue why you need 641 miles of range.

Downsides that I see include longer charging times, raw materials required, and of course road damage caused by such a heavy car.

Don’t get me wrong. I do see a place for long range in areas like commercial trucking. I just don’t see it in performance luxury vehicles.

 

[nickmdp]

Who the hell really need 800-mile range(?)

- Give me (either less than) half, with half weight.

As someone that's a huge advocate for longer range cars, I will probably put my money where my mouth is when the time comes to buy something new and get the longest range possible. "Need" is probably too strong of a word, but there are perfectly valid use cases for much longer range cars. For example, I live ~200 miles from a major metro area in the Northern US, and would love to be able to drive to the city, park at my destination where I need to do business, and drive home when I'm done. To do that 400 mile round trip while accounting for cold weather loss (20%), that I don't want to go below 10% reserve, and potential 10% SoC loss over time, an 800 mile car becomes a 480 mile car.

Yes, I could add a charging stop without too much hassle, or maybe find a charger close to my destination and walk to my destination, but that sort of ignores the point that I put a lot of value on time and choice. If an EV existed that allowed me to basically only stop to charge in ideal circumstances, that would be huge for me, and I could do mostly home charging at low rates or at DCFCs that had the most convenient offerings of services (meaning, not Walmart)

I wish my Taycan had another 50 to 100 miles of range (310-360), but I have no clue why you need 641 miles of range.

Downsides that I see include longer charging times, raw materials required, and of course road damage caused by such a heavy car.

Don’t get me wrong. I do see a place for long range in areas like commercial trucking. I just don’t see it in performance luxury vehicles.

For performance vehicles, the benefits of lighter weight certainly outweigh the benefits of a very long range. That said, for a luxury vehicle, that range is valuable IMO, and EVs also make it relatively easy to bring along good straight line performance as long as you can accommodate the battery weight in the suspension.

 

[Dabz]

Why is everyone so preoccupied with range? Who wants to drive 800 miles without a break?

Instead of waiting for new batteries, in not too many years we’ll all have access to far more fast chargers so topping up will be similar to a splash and dash of petrol. Range becomes irrelevant

 

[annieland]

Now that I have my car and drive it as often as possible, I've been revisiting this phenomenon of "range anxiety." Do you think there's a positive correlation between people who have range anxiety, or even over preoccupation with range, and those who keep/kept their gas tank above half full most of the time?

I'm trying to be responsible about my battery health, and learn route planning for the occasional long drive, but then I started picturing the typical state of my fuel needle hovering over the big E and the yellow Fuel light while thinking, "I should probably stop for gas before the weekend."

Suddenly any hint of range anxiety went *Poof*! If you guys just visualize a near empty tank does that make you relax more in your car like me, or give you the jitters?

 

[satchurator]

Why is everyone so preoccupied with range? Who wants to drive 800 miles without a break?

Instead of waiting for new batteries, in not too many years we’ll all have access to far more fast chargers so topping up will be similar to a splash and dash of petrol. Range becomes irrelevant

@Dabz I note that you are in the UK. I think range matters more to US buyers due to geography/culture/lack of public transportation.

Even when EVs match ICE ranges, the newcomers range-anxiety may still be a thing if charging infrastructure doesn't catch up.

I think that getting to 500 miles range would be ideal, with additional gains better applied to weight reduction.

 

[Dabz]

@Dabz I note that you are in the UK. I think range matters more to US buyers due to geography/culture/lack of public transportation.

Even when EVs match ICE ranges, the newcomers range-anxiety may still be a thing if charging infrastructure doesn't catch up.

I think that getting to 500 miles range would be ideal, with additional gains better applied to weight reduction.

Yup very fair point about geography in the US etc!

 

[nickmdp]

Why is everyone so preoccupied with range? Who wants to drive 800 miles without a break?

Instead of waiting for new batteries, in not too many years we’ll all have access to far more fast chargers so topping up will be similar to a splash and dash of petrol. Range becomes irrelevant

It's not about driving 800 miles without breaks, it's about driving 800 miles and only stopping at the locations you want. Frankly, most of the DCFC locations I've seen (Midwest and NE USA) are not pleasant places to spend 30 minutes in the middle of the day, let alone after dark. I'd love to be able to be more picky about where to stop, but with the current infrastructure, there might only be 1-3 possible locations to choose from on a given road trip, and it often feels like choosing the least bad option for charging.

If I need to stop for food or a bathroom break, I'd like those decisions to be driven by what I want to eat and places that have clean and quiet bathrooms rather than where there are DCFCs. Even if they expand the DCFC infrastructure, for me it doesn't mean much if they're all surrounded by miserable places to be.

 

[W1NGE]

Brave prediction!

They wanted to have it in mass production for the Tokyo olympics, right? When was that? They all suffer from teslartis, announce everything, deliver NOTHING!

Time will tell!

 

[mcr21]

Now that I have my car and drive it as often as possible, I've been revisiting this phenomenon of "range anxiety." Do you think there's a positive correlation between people who have range anxiety, or even over preoccupation with range, and those who keep/kept their gas tank above half full most of the time?

I'm trying to be responsible about my battery health, and learn route planning for the occasional long drive, but then I started picturing the typical state of my fuel needle hovering over the big E and the yellow Fuel light while thinking, "I should probably stop for gas before the weekend."

Suddenly any hint of range anxiety went *Poof*! If you guys just visualize a near empty tank does that make you relax more in your car like me, or give you the jitters?

Only time I've felt a hint of range anxiety was over a long pan-European road trip where I was dependent on rapid chargers in France and Spain whilst pushing the envelope on daily distance goals. Besides that occasion, as long as you plan well ahead 240-250 miles of range is more than sufficient in Europe under most scenarios.

 

[kempez]

For me it’s about being able to take a car to a holiday destination, such as Cornwall with maybe a stop of the way if needed, but then drive around for the week and again stop on the way back if/when needed. A lot of the UK, especially Cornwall/West Country, is missing infrastructure and you can’t even destination charge - even snail charging. More than the current range would be good as we often drive 160 miles to get to holiday locations. The UK infrastructure is just shocking

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