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did i read it correctly, that with the new model you are forced into air suspension ?
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Not needed though….they can extract significantly more power from the battery now. Have a look at the chart.
I suspect the two speed transmission still helps with high speed cruising efficiency. Not particularly helpful in most markets, but given the home market that's likely one of their goals.
 

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Yeah, all that extra power, light up rear logo, and faster charging stuff is great and all, but I just really hope they fixed the damn cover on the center console. If it stays up when you put it up, then I may shed a tear of happiness. :like:
 
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I suspect the two speed transmission still helps with high speed cruising efficiency. Not particularly helpful in most markets, but given the home market that's likely one of their goals.
Agreed. I can see how Porsche used this battery capability to eliminate the transmission on the Macan but I actually like the 2-speeds. Hopefully they find a way to justify keeping it in future and add some additional features to make it even more beneficial.
 

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Indeed, was just going to post the same. (And thanks @JonoNZ for the handy pdf link).

This was a thorough reworking of the Taycan (need to snap to lingo, "J1 I"), I'm very pleased to see their continued commitment to this model line. It's definitely here to stay for the long term, despite not being on the "corporate" platform.

One of the slides in the appendix has a deeper breakdown of the mass lost/gained, worth reading.

Lastly, page 14 (screenshot below) shows that very little in the efficiency gains could translate down to J1 I - maybe some of the 4% gained on "optimized drive and recuperation strategy", everything else is new "hardware".

On the "plus" side, their example of a real-world trip (Stuttgart to Barcelona, ~1200km), all of that ~30% efficiency gain translated into ~40m of saved time over 13hrs. I will not sell my car for $20 to @007 over this marginal improvement, so it's all good.

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Not arguing otherwise, but I think the main benefit of longer range isn’t the time saved as much as more ease of mind. Instead of having to plan your trip, you can just stop whenever you’re hungry or something.

If a charger is broken, it doesn’t matter because you probably have enough range to just go to the next one if needed.

The old Taycan has just enough range for me to do my typical long range trips if I stop and charge exactly halfway. It works, but then I have to eat at the same one McDonalds every time rather than at something slightly less inedible. Longer range would definitely improve my experience, especially in wintertime.
 


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Interesting that the PCM is different to the Macan EV. No App Store, No YouTube, etc, instead an app I've never heard of call ScreenHits TV. Is this Android Automotive or another derivative? In the press info they say it's the latest generation, so maybe the software version in these early reveal cars is not up-to-date?
The reveal is probably the most carefully curated set of images, verbiage and so on. It's more likely to have shown mockups than outdated software. I think this goes back to our previous discussion/other thread - the PCM hw was not changed, so perhaps only some stylistic changes to align with the updates in the Macan/Cayenne etc.

did i read it correctly, that with the new model you are forced into air suspension ?
"New active chassis
All updated Taycan models come with adaptive air suspension as standard. The new Porsche Active Ride suspension can be ordered as an option for the all-wheel drive versions."

From: The new Porsche Taycan: improved in almost every discipline - Porsche Newsroom

Yeah, all that extra power, light up rear logo, and faster charging stuff is great and all, but I just really hope they fixed the cover on the center console. If it stays up when you put it up, then I may shed a tear of happiness. :like:
They do speak of lightening, so maybe they just chucked the damn thing out.
(No, I'm just teasing, the interior shots look identical.)
 

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As much as they are making a big deal about range, i could not care less. But two things I have been dreaming off for RWD: 1- More torque 2- launch control power available constantly. They gave both to the new RWD with their magic wand. It just becomes the perfect driving machine for me. Damn. Now a big dilemma. do i bite the bullet on my 5K mile RWD and eat a massive depreciation prematurely, or keep my suboptimal (but prettier) baby for several years more.
I have to say i am very impressed with the bold moves and magnitude of changes.
 

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The reveal is probably the most carefully curated set of images, verbiage and so on. It's more likely to have shown mockups than outdated software. I think this goes back to our previous discussion/other thread - the PCM hw was not changed, so perhaps only some stylistic changes to align with the updates in the Macan/Cayenne etc.
It's not a mockup, one of the German reviewers opened the app in PCM in his video on YouTube. It seems way snappier than the current Taycan PCM though. He did mention that YouTube, Prime, and Netflix are coming soon. Still some mystery here though.
 


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I was really hoping for the Sport Turismo option for all models like they have in Europe. It looks so much better than the plastic fender Cross Turismo. Hopefully that’s coming soon. A Turbo Sport Turismo would be fantastic.
 

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Not arguing otherwise, but I think the main benefit of longer range isn’t the time saved as much as more ease of mind. Instead of having to plan your trip, you can just stop whenever you’re hungry or something.

If a charger is broken, it doesn’t matter because you probably have enough range to just go to the next one if needed.

The old Taycan has just enough range for me to do my typical long range trips if I stop and charge exactly halfway. It works, but then I have to eat at the same one McDonalds every time rather than at something slightly less inedible. Longer range would definitely improve my experience, especially in wintertime.
(checking your location) Ah, yes, you're from a civilized country. Over here, on the West Coast of the USA, we have quite a few no-(wo)man's land areas, with chargers spaced ~120mi apart. Even with the range improvements, you can't not stop at every charger, the risk of not making it is too great. I picked on their example of Stuttgart to Barcelona as it matches fairly close my trip from ~Seattle, WA to Montery, CA. ~1000 miles, with a good chunk of it (Southern OR, Northern CA) in 0-population territory. I basically had to stop for ~30m every 1.5hrs of driving, and the tradeoff between higher speed and longer stops was a painful, ever-present mental calculation.

It's amazing to see the range gain (and quiet the critics), though I suspect, just between us here, that in reality, the improvement is probably around 50mi for CTs with otherwise-identical specs. I'd love to get a bit more range, but it would only save me a few minutes - not an entire stop.
 

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Technically very nice upgrade! I have to see the car in real, but based on pictures I think I prefer the slightly more futuristic design of the old model headlights.

What is the price difference in the US? Here no info yet, but expect it to be more expensive, which might be ok considering it has better standard equipment.
 

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It's not a mockup, one of the German reviewers opened the app in PCM in his video on YouTube. It seems way snappier than the current Taycan PCM though. He did mention that YouTube, Prime, and Netflix are coming soon. Still some mystery here though.
(I didn't say it is a mockup, just that they'd much rather show a mockup or a fixed demo than old software. This is the time to shine. C'mon, you said you work in software; demos are always a) better and b) most important aspect.)
 

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Certainly a great refresh, save the front lights....I wonder whether Mamba Green Metallic will be available again. I look forward to trading into better tires on my 2020 4S...the Michelin 4s's are great but noisy once slightly worn. I plan to keep my legacy Taycan until 2030, but will be back in the market when the Cayman E is available.
 

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Considering the new Turbo S has almost 1000 hp I guess that’s the model we’ve been seeing testing; the fixed wing merely being an optional add-on. Probably a no go for a GT.”

And while I agree the Turbo should have a more differentiating facia, I’m really not a fan. Hopefully you can get the much nicer vertical facia as an option.
 

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Well done Porsche. More battery capacity at less weight is significant progress, and bodes well for the future Boxter/Cayman EV. The charging speed would be nice, if all the 350 Kw dispensers weren't being clogged up by Chevy Bolts.

I had a rare DCFC visit Sunday. As I walked back to the Taycan to unplug it from a 350 Kw dispenser, I noticed a Chevy Bolt parked as if it was waiting for a dispenser...which made no sense initially, as there were 4 functional 150 Kw dispensers functional and available. Sure enough, as soon as I unplugged and pulled away, the Bolt raced over to the 350 Kw dispenser. :rolleyes: I used to try to give Bolt owners the benefit of the doubt "surely that was the only dispenser open when they arrived", but now I know they're either ignorant, assholes, or both.
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