Porsche EV long term reliability?

[iReminisce]

great, and what was the cost for this operation?

Covered under warranty good sir.

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[Fish Fingers]

I’m hoping Porsche intends to get to the bottom of all their EV reliability issues over the next few years at most. The brand’s long term integrity is at stake.
if they don’t and expensive vehicle repairs become commonplace then Porsche will become what Jaguar was for many years before Ford bought them and fixed their quality issues…
Jaguar was always known for gorgeous, emotionally inspired cars but that beauty came at the extremely high cost of maintaining any Jaguar.
Porsche must get back to their roots of precision German engineering where reliability is paramount and even though repairs can be expensive they are worth it because they are rare.
Batteries & electronics are my biggest concerns at this point. If they don’t succeed then I won’t be getting another Porsche EV…

By coincidence, I had posted this on another thread, only a couple of hours before you started this thread.....
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/2024-model-3-performance.20553/post-315032

 

[Sace]

At least where I live there is the "Porsche Approved" scheme that you can add to all Porsches when the factory warranty expires. This allows you to basically extend the factory warranty until the car has done 200.000km or is more than 15 years old.

It's priced relatively fair (140 ish EUR/month). That should in theory keep these cars going for quite a while here without the owners having to spend a fortune.

 

[Zsport]

I’m hoping Porsche intends to get to the bottom of all their EV reliability issues over the next few years at most. The brand’s long term integrity is at stake.
if they don’t and expensive vehicle repairs become commonplace then Porsche will become what Jaguar was for many years before Ford bought them and fixed their quality issues…
Jaguar was always known for gorgeous, emotionally inspired cars but that beauty came at the extremely high cost of maintaining any Jaguar.
Porsche must get back to their roots of precision German engineering where reliability is paramount and even though repairs can be expensive they are worth it because they are rare.
Batteries & electronics are my biggest concerns at this point. If they don’t succeed then I won’t be getting another Porsche EV…
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I’m hoping Porsche intends to get to the bottom of all their EV reliability issues over the next few years at most. The brand’s long term integrity is at stake.
if they don’t and expensive vehicle repairs become commonplace then Porsche will become what Jaguar was for many years before Ford bought them and fixed their quality issues…
Jaguar was always known for gorgeous, emotionally inspired cars but that beauty came at the extremely high cost of maintaining any Jaguar.
Porsche must get back to their roots of precision German engineering where reliability is paramount and even though repairs can be expensive they are worth it because they are rare.
Batteries & electronics are my biggest concerns at this point. If they don’t succeed then I won’t be getting another Porsche EV…

I’m hoping Porsche intends to get to the bottom of all their EV reliability issues over the next few years at most. The brand’s long term integrity is at stake.
if they don’t and expensive vehicle repairs become commonplace then Porsche will become what Jaguar was for many years before Ford bought them and fixed their quality issues…
Jaguar was always known for gorgeous, emotionally inspired cars but that beauty came at the extremely high cost of maintaining any Jaguar.
Porsche must get back to their roots of precision German engineering where reliability is paramount and even though repairs can be expensive they are worth it because they are rare.
Batteries & electronics are my biggest concerns at this point. If they don’t succeed then I won’t be getting another Porsche EV…

I worked in Automotive research & development for Toyota, Lexus, Hyundai & Kia. I worked on the electric car development programs for each one of those manufactures and I’ve owned a 2013 Tesla Model S with over 200k miles. The high voltage batteries last a really long time 15 years is not a problem, 600,000 miles not a problem, the charging capacity may go down, but they almost never fail, take a look around at how many early Toyota Prius are still on the road.

 

[Gino]

At least where I live there is the "Porsche Approved" scheme that you can add to all Porsches when the factory warranty expires. This allows you to basically extend the factory warranty until the car has done 200.000km or is more than 15 years old.

It's priced relatively fair (140 ish EUR/month). That should in theory keep these cars going for quite a while here without the owners having to spend a fortune.

That would be fantastic if Porsche would offer a protection plan or insurance to get to 15 years. I would pay this in a flash. It would be Porsche’s own extended auto warranty being sold to cover vehicle repairs for up to 20 years and 200K miles.
I would pay a yearly fee to Porsche for parts & labor coverage to eliminate surprises and only use Porsche certified shops/mechanics.

At least where I live there is the "Porsche Approved" scheme that you can add to all Porsches when the factory warranty expires. This allows you to basically extend the factory warranty until the car has done 200.000km or is more than 15 years old.

It's priced relatively fair (140 ish EUR/month). That should in theory keep these cars going for quite a while here without the owners having to spend a fortune.

What country are you in? This would be very reasonable for people who want to make sure their Taycan is in perfect shape on the inside since I plan to keep mine perfect on the outside.
My existing warranties end in 2030 so paying $3600 a year for peace of mind maintenance on my, would be, aging supermodel Taycan is an easy decision.

 

[allroadusa]

Porsche Approved protection is proposed for any Porsche in Europe. My Taycan is under Approved and I live in France.

 

[FlyingPoint]

I have a different perspective, at least for now. I was an early adopter of a MY21 RWD. I drove the car for 3+ years and ended up with about 27k miles. I acquired a MY24 4S and here are my initial observations about build quality:

1. Build quality - I have over 60 pieces of foam in my MY21 that took hours and hours to isolate rattles and creeks. The trial and error process took well over 8 months to cure all but one rattle, which I never found. The MY24 has not one rattle or creek.
2. Interior Cup Holders - My MY21 almost qualified as its own steel drum music system. The MY24 is mute to the point that I am in disbelief.
3. Connectivity - The MY21 had a host of nuisance issues, most of which always resolved in a few minutes to an hour. PCM reboots were almost a weekly occurrence. The PCM had no real issues just older tech. The MY24 is almost like buying a new computer - glitch free, faster and connectivity issues are non existent.
4. Transmission - The MY21 had a constant clunk while downshifting from second to first and often a noticeable noise from 1st to 2nd. The MY24 is silent.
5. Hand Operated Frunk - The MY21 worked 1 out of 5 times. The MY24 is 100% functional.
6. Foot operated trunk - The My21 worked well but the kick was to the left of the centerline. The MY24 is inline with the centerline.
7. Air Conditioning - The MY24 is a 100% improvement over the MY21.
8. Comfort Locking via touch to door handle - MY21 worked 1 out of 7 times. MY24 works 5 out of 6 times.
9. Interior and exterior build qualify - no noticeable difference.
10. Driver assistance - Much better in the MY24 versus the MY21. Not even close.

There are a few of my recent observations. I have 1k miles on the MY24 and so far problem free (knocking on wood).

 

[bluesky]

That would be fantastic if Porsche would offer a protection plan or insurance to get to 15 years. I would pay this in a flash. It would be Porsche’s own extended auto warranty being sold to cover vehicle repairs for up to 20 years and 200K miles.
I would pay a yearly fee to Porsche for parts & labor coverage to eliminate surprises and only use Porsche certified shops/mechanics.

What country are you in? This would be very reasonable for people who want to make sure their Taycan is in perfect shape on the inside since I plan to keep mine perfect on the outside.
My existing warranties end in 2030 so paying $3600 a year for peace of mind maintenance on my, would be, aging supermodel Taycan is an easy decision.

Does anything like this exist in USA?

 

[Gino]

I have a different perspective, at least for now. I was an early adopter of a MY21 RWD. I drove the car for 3+ years and ended up with about 27k miles. I acquired a MY24 4S and here are my initial observations about build quality:

1. Build quality - I have over 60 pieces of foam in my MY21 that took hours and hours to isolate rattles and creeks. The trial and error process took well over 8 months to cure all but one rattle, which I never found. The MY24 has not one rattle or creek.
2. Interior Cup Holders - My MY21 almost qualified as its own steel drum music system. The MY24 is mute to the point that I am in disbelief.
3. Connectivity - The MY21 had a host of nuisance issues, most of which always resolved in a few minutes to an hour. PCM reboots were almost a weekly occurrence. The PCM had no real issues just older tech. The MY24 is almost like buying a new computer - glitch free, faster and connectivity issues are non existent.
4. Transmission - The MY21 had a constant clunk while downshifting from second to first and often a noticeable noise from 1st to 2nd. The MY24 is silent.
5. Hand Operated Frunk - The MY21 worked 1 out of 5 times. The MY24 is 100% functional.
6. Foot operated trunk - The My21 worked well but the kick was to the left of the centerline. The MY24 is inline with the centerline.
7. Air Conditioning - The MY24 is a 100% improvement over the MY21.
8. Comfort Locking via touch to door handle - MY21 worked 1 out of 7 times. MY24 works 5 out of 6 times.
9. Interior and exterior build qualify - no noticeable difference.
10. Driver assistance - Much better in the MY24 versus the MY21. Not even close.

There are a few of my recent observations. I have 1k miles on the MY24 and so far problem free (knocking on wood).

You mentioned shifting from 2nd to 1st…Is this a traditional Porsche ICE vehicle?
Even if it is an ICE vehicle it’s good to know the PCM & electronic systems are improving over time as well…

 

[FlyingPoint]

You mentioned shifting from 2nd to 1st…Is this a traditional Porsche ICE vehicle?
Even if it is an ICE vehicle it’s good to know the PCM & electronic systems are improving over time as well…

No, I was referring to the EV 2 speed transmission. Unique to Porsche EV's. I don't believe any other OEM uses this configuration.

 

[bluesky]

Would you mind expanding a little bit on driver assistance improvement?

 

[Gino]

Porsche Approved protection is proposed for any Porsche in Europe. My Taycan is under Approved and I live in France.

Thanks,
I haven’t heard about this in the US yet but I will ask my service advisor the next time I’m in for service.

No, I was referring to the EV 2 speed transmission. Unique to Porsche EV's. I don't believe any other OEM uses this configuration.

Wow! I didn’t even know Porsche offered a 2 speed transmission in an EV. I have a 2021 but what year did they offer the 2 speed?

No, I was referring to the EV 2 speed transmission. Unique to Porsche EV's. I don't believe any other OEM uses this configuration.

What year did Porsche offer the 2 speed transmission option? This must give the Taycan incredible top end speed since it already is quick off the line.

 

[Gino]

I worked in Automotive research & development for Toyota, Lexus, Hyundai & Kia. I worked on the electric car development programs for each one of those manufactures and I’ve owned a 2013 Tesla Model S with over 200k miles. The high voltage batteries last a really long time 15 years is not a problem, 600,000 miles not a problem, the charging capacity may go down, but they almost never fail, take a look around at how many early Toyota Prius are still on the road.

Very good data point. Thanks!

 

[Gino]

Very good data point. Thanks!

Would you expect the batteries in the Taycan to at least keep 50% SOC after 15-20 years? I expect my Taycan to become a glorified supermodel golf cart to drive around Newport Beach & the coast occasionally. If I have 100 miles per charge that would be plenty.
My Taycan started at 225 miles per charge back in early 2022 and now it gets 195-205 miles after 30 months and 37K miles.
I’m under the impression the first 3 years would be the largest drop but would degrade less as time goes on. I wouldn’t expect the range to drop more than 25% by the end of the 8 year battery warranty. It would be interesting to get your feedback on loss in range after 8 years & more with Tesla & other brands.

 

[ShiftyWolf]

Wow! I didn’t even know Porsche offered a 2 speed transmission in an EV. I have a 2021 but what year did they offer the 2 speed?

Not offered, standard in all the Gen 1 Taycans. The rear motor has a two-speed transmission.

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