Does the brake recall include a fluid flush/replacement?

[DerekS]

I ask because my 20K service is coming up at some point, of which the only really important bit is the fluid flush (IMO.)

I'm thinking I could reduce the 20K service cost if it's in close enough proximity to the recall work. Or just skip the 20K entirely, as I'm perfectly capable of swapping wiper blades and pollen filter.

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[Tooney]

EDITED: TSB says to bleed brake system. Not clear from TSB whether old brake fluid is collected and re-filled, or replaced.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCRIT-24V455-8942.pdf

 

[Uknown]

I ask because my 20K service is coming up at some point, of which the only really important bit is the fluid flush (IMO.)

I'm thinking I could reduce the 20K service cost if it's in close enough proximity to the recall work. Or just skip the 20K entirely, as I'm perfectly capable of swapping wiper blades and pollen filter.

I was wondering same thing, I can’t think of a way it doesn’t… but I don’t know.

 

[Uknown]

Yes

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[Tooney]

Nice!

See my edited post #2 above.

 

[DerekS]

EDITED: TSB says to bleed brake system. Not clear from TSB whether old brake fluid is collected and re-filled, or replaced.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCRIT-24V455-8942.pdf

Looks like it does include new fluid! Nice.

 

[SergeyIndy]

I ask because my 20K service is coming up at some point, of which the only really important bit is the fluid flush (IMO.)

I'm thinking I could reduce the 20K service cost if it's in close enough proximity to the recall work. Or just skip the 20K entirely, as I'm perfectly capable of swapping wiper blades and pollen filter.

I have a feeling that even if Brake Flush is done under this TSB, and wiper blades and Cabin Filter are easy to do by yourself, they will still charge some outrageous amount for multipoint inspection since it is called for in the service manual at 20k with a claim that this is required to maintain warranty.

 

[DerekS]

I have a feeling that even if Brake Flush is done under this TSB, and wiper blades and Cabin Filter are easy to do by yourself, they will still charge some outrageous amount for multipoint inspection since it is called for in the service manual at 20k with a claim that this is required to maintain warranty.

Does the warranty even mean much at this point, though?

 

[SergeyIndy]

Does the warranty even mean much at this point, though?

I think the warranty is actually pretty good since the HV battery is covered for longer along with some SoH level triggers if they happen. Also, I checked my notes from someone reporting on this forum the cost of the 20k service and the numbers were $415 for Brake Fluid Flush and $180 Cabin Filter replace but no mention of the cost for the multipoint inspection as I am sure they have to do it and then create a log of all the parameter readings to send to corporate. They would not share any of the readings with me on delivery, although they generated many pages worth of data.

I am 1 year in with about 9k miles and so far no issues with just one software update recall and no charge check for the brake pedal feel. I am checking my HV battery for SoH or any other anomalies with the OBD/App every 1k (92.58% @ 8k miles). I am due for this Brake Lines TSB but hope it is safe to delay it to be closer to the 2 year / 20k mile service. The only thing I wish would be better is tire tread wear. I have OEM All Season 21-inch Continentals and while my tread measurements look fine (4.4mm front and 5.9mm rear), the tires are not holding the road on round abouts at normal speeds and I have RAS with PDCC. The other surprise that I have encountered is that full alignment is $800 and takes all day on the alignment machine.

 

[DerekS]

I think the warranty is actually pretty good since the HV battery is covered for longer along with some SoH level triggers if they happen. Also, I checked my notes from someone reporting on this forum the cost of the 20k service and the numbers were $415 for Brake Fluid Flush and $180 Cabin Filter replace but no mention of the cost for the multipoint inspection as I am sure they have to do it and then create a log of all the parameter readings to send to corporate. They would not share any of the readings with me on delivery, although they generated many pages worth of data.

I am 1 year in with about 9k miles and so far no issues with just one software update recall and no charge check for the brake pedal feel. I am checking my HV battery for SoH or any other anomalies with the OBD/App every 1k. I am due for this Brake Lines TSB but hope it is safe to delay it to be closer to the 2 year / 20k mile service. The only thing I wish would be better is tire tread wear. I have OEM All Season 21-inch Continentals and while my tread measurements look fine (4.4mm front and 5.9mm rear), the tires are not holding the road on round abouts at normal speeds and I have RAS with PDCC. The other surprise that I have encountered is that full alignment is $800 and takes all day on the alignment machine.

This is my second Taycan.

The first I spent a grand total of...<checks Chargey>...$3293.77 in service costs. I put 25,931 miles on it over 1.5 years. Of the 8 service visits, 5 were recalls, 2 were tires and one was the 20K service (which only cost me $200.95 after skipping the brake flush.). Depreciation wasn't even really that bad either, I bought in for around 106K and traded for 85K. All in all a good experience that made me want to upgrade to a faster model in a better color.

My current Taycan I've so far paid over 22K in service fees. Admittedly some of these are elective ($2600 for PPF, $1037.08 for labor installing OEM dashcam.). $16,220.07 was the roof replacement fiasco of which I personally covered something like $4500. 3 tire vists. 1 heater replacement. 1 visit to pay for installation of self-purchased wheel locks which were not provided at purchase. No recall visits yet, but I'm due for at least two when the parts are available (brakes and charger.)

 

[FlyingPoint]

Just for clarification -- a brake bleed is not a brake flush. In this case, I would think that all that would be done is to bleed until no air is present the new brake hose and caliper.
The service center will plug the line immediately upon removing the hose. They will replace the hose and bleed until the there is clear fluid and no air bubbles. All the fluid in the master and lines will remain the same. Frankly, a bleed is all that needs to be done in this car at 20K service interval unless the fluid has absorbed too much H2O. A simple test of the fluid can determine this with a $10 gauge.

 

[DerekS]

$10 gauge it is, then.

Either way I'm playing defense against service fees.

 

[Speuk]

I had my 20k service carried out 2 weeks ago and skipped thr brake fluid change as car is only 18 months old. I've now had the ARB0 recall and car booked in for late September. OPC has confirmed this will include brake fluid change so I won't need that done in December. The TSB isn't clear as it only requires the brakes to be bleed so I'm sure many OPCs will be saying you still need the 2 year brake fluid change.

 

[hifi239]

a brake bleed is not a brake flush

Agree. They won't flush the brakes as part of replacing hoses, they will only bleed them. Fluid as needed will be 1-2 oz.

"a bleed is all that needs to be done in this car at 20K service interval"

Honestly, I'd just have the brakes flushed every 20K or two years like it says. I would not trust the fluid condition at the reservior. If its near time, and they are replacing the hoses, ask them to flush it. Maybe they will be kind. My dealer charged $199 for the brake flush (but then like, an additional $875 for the 2 year inspection).

 

[FlyingPoint]

Agree. They won't flush the brakes as part of replacing hoses, they will only bleed them. Fluid as needed will be 1-2 oz.



Honestly, I'd just have the brakes flushed every 20K or two years like it says. I would not trust the fluid condition at the reservior. If its near time, and they are replacing the hoses, ask them to flush it. Maybe they will be kind. My dealer charged $199 for the brake flush (but then like, an additional $875 for the 2 year inspection).

I think that the quoted cost ($199) for a brake fluid flush does not include all the costs. It is doubtful that a dealer can place a car on a lift, remove and replace 4 wheels and flush all the fluid for $199. I have been flushing my brake fluid on my GT3 twice a year for the last five years. Excluding getting the car in the air and the wheels on and off, it takes at least an hour plus the cost of the fluid that a dealer charges. I would bet that if you went to the same dealer for just the flush, the amount charged would be much higher.

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