First time EV owner, what charger for the house?

[Shawn_Turismo]

that looks correct - unit default to 60 amp breaker (48 amp charge rate) - if you didn't change it that should be the setting - there are other screens on the web portal where you can inspect that

_OR_

you can plug in your car and look at the charge rate on the lower center screen - if the charge rate is above "9 kw" - you're getting the "full" 48 amps.

243 V is 100% in line with specifications and expectations for your hook up.

Ok awesome! Thanks for confirming. I don’t have my car yet but I did verify the 48amp output configuration in the Tesla one app and the web interface as well.

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[daveo4EV]

Ok awesome! Thanks for confirming. I don’t have my car yet but I did verify the 48amp output configuration in the Tesla one app and the web interface as well.

you are good to go - you can invite a friend with an eV over to see if works if you "MUST" test it.

You're too far away - otherwise I'd come over for lunch

 

[daveo4EV]

Ok awesome! Thanks for confirming. I don’t have my car yet but I did verify the 48amp output configuration in the Tesla one app and the web interface as well.

also don't overlook the personal design touch - I like the color'd face plates Tesla offers for $75

https://shop.tesla.com/product/wall-connector-color-matched-faceplate?sku=1551813-10-A

I have:

• blue
• red
• white

fronts and it gives the garage some color and allows me to specify which one to plug in when friends ask which unit I want them to use

un-necessary cosmetic money but being Porsche customers we're all used to that!

 

[Shawn_Turismo]

also don't overlook the personal design touch - I like the color'd face plates Tesla offers for $75

https://shop.tesla.com/product/wall-connector-color-matched-faceplate?sku=1551813-10-A

I have:

• blue
• red
• white

fronts and it gives the garage some color and allows me to specify which one to plug in when friends ask which unit I want them to use

un-necessary cosmetic money but being Porsche customers we're all used to that!

Haha yeah totally get that! As my car is white, I’m good (for now) with the white cover!

 

[daveo4EV]

I consider the J-1772 adatper and NCAS swap on the cable end to be super clever, easy and super nifty - really really easy/trivial to swap between J-1772 and NACS - and you're set up really really well for the 2nd EVSE (another Tesla UWC) and you can "share" your 60 amp circuit and charge 2 EV's at once if you add a 2nd one.

 

[Shawn_Turismo]

I consider the J-1772 adatper and NCAS swap on the cable end to be super clever, easy and super nifty - really really easy/trivial to swap between J-1772 and NACS - and you're set up really really well for the 2nd EVSE (another Tesla UWC) and you can "share" your 60 amp circuit and charge 2 EV's at once if you add a 2nd one.

yeah the future proofing part was what swayed me to get the Tesla charger as it integrates the two adapters really well

 

[Avharrisjr]

So what are people’s thoughts about an industrial level 14-50 socket and using the Porsche mobile charger connect that will come with the car as Level 2? Has anyone had issues with this type of a setup?

I've been using the PMCC as my home charger for the last 3 years for my MY 2020 TT. No problems, no overheating. I carry it with me between 2 locations and only issue is I have to reset Max amp back up since the recall detuned it to a 20 A default.

 

[ShiftyWolf]

I've been using the PMCC as my home charger for the last 3 years for my MY 2020 TT. No problems, no overheating.

As long as the wiring and outlet are sufficient, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with using the PMCC as your primary EVSE. The concern may be trying to run it at full rated amps on an unfamiliar circuit and also that there are just so many better options available for far less money.

I liked my PMCC and didn't have any problems prior to the recall, but the Grizzl-E I replaced it with is just an inexpensive and solid workhorse.

 

[daveo4EV]

As long as the wiring and outlet are sufficient, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with using the PMCC as your primary EVSE. The concern may be trying to run it at full rated amps on an unfamiliar circuit and also that there are just so many better options available for far less money.

I liked my PMCC and didn't have any problems prior to the recall, but the Grizzl-E I replaced it with is just an inexpensive and solid workhorse.

if one goes with the "included" $0 EVSE using the PMC+ w/Hubble outlet is ok - but there is no way the PMCC is worth $1120 and there are better higher quality options for 1/2 the cost.

if's also worth noting that if you must have a 2nd EVSE for an alternate residence and need to purchase a Porsche EVSE separately outside of a vehicle delivery or purchase a working PMC+/PMCC with NEMA xx-50 power supply cable and J-1772 EVSE to Vehciel cable is north of $3000 "parts" costs when purchased separately from the vehicle. There are vastly better options for a separate EVSE for 1/4 the cost of retail cost of PMC+/PMCC (including the PWCC).

I'd even pay $1500 for the Porsche Wall Charger before I'd pay $1120 for the PMCC

given the recall, the actual problems, and Porsche's complete inability to provide any meaningful customer support should you have issues my biased opinion is you're still better off with another product, and let's not forget the PMC+/PMCC are also quite fussy about charging non-Porsche EV's

I also prefer my EVSE's to operate at a nominal temperature while charging of slightly less than 170F or more…while Porsche's own supply cable can handle that and so can the Hubble socket - there is simply no reason for a consumer product to operate at those nominal temperatures - alternative products perform the same function and operate at a much lower nominal temperature.

• cost - there are better EVSE's for less money than the $1120 PMCC
• most alternative EVSE's come standard with 25ft charging cord - the PMC+ is only 15 ft, and the PMCC is $1120 to get a 25ft cord from Porsche - if you need/want a longer cord $1120 is an expensive way to get the additional 7 ft of length.
• customer support - Porsche has proven they can not support their product - with the dealer network unable to answer basic questions
• compatibility - the PMCC has known problems with other EV's operating normally or completing a charging session
• mobility - there are smaller, better, lighter alternative mobile EVSE's - you can in fact buy a home wall charger & separate mobile EVSE for less money than one (1) PMCC
  • using a PMCC/PMC+ with someone's else's non-Hubble socket could be considered "rude" - we know that the PMC+/PMCC cause a lot of thermal stress on non-Hubble NEMA sockets - random NEMA sockets you encounter while away from home may not be up the to task of interfacing with the operating temperatures of the PMC+/PMCC - it will probably work - but your PMCC/PMC+ EVSE just made that random NEMA socket slight worse for wear due to it's thermal operating envelope…
  • I prefer not to damage my host's electrical infrastructure as part of them letting me charge my EV.
• quality - PMC+/PMCC are currently under recall with limited recall parts availablity - and the new PMCC recall part has been less than well received
  • plug head facing the wrong way
  • bad temperature sensor rendering the unit in-operable with no dealer support
  • very low operating temperature threshold causing people to miss their departure time target
• nominal behavior - nominal operating temperatures are higher than alternative products - other EVSE's providing 9.6 kW that nominally operate at far less than the PMCC's normal temps - I prefer my EVSE to charge my EV and not also be a space heater for my garage even if my hubble socket won't melt while doing it.
• better tech - wifi, ota updates, charging stats - if you're tech geek there are better EVSE's with more non-charging features - these are clearly a secondary concern.
• these days mobile EVSE's are less of a thing with the rise of stronger public EV charging infrastructure - so my preference/recommendation is to forgo a mobile EVSE all together and go for a hardwired 60/80/100 amp EVSE - fewer problems, faster charge rate, greater compatibility, higher safety factor, less money than a PMCC.
  • if you must have a mobile EVSE - you can put together an entire mobile "kit" that is smaller, lighter, runs cooler, has more NEMA adapters for less than the PMCC cost.
• When Porsche was unable to provide a functional EVSE with vehicle purchase they were providing customers with $600 credit to purchase an effective EVSE - Porsche will charge you $1120 for the PMCC - but they know full well alternatives cost far less and demonstrated that knowledge with their "generous" $600 buy some one else's EVSE - and many forum users found effective EVSE's for even less than that and are quite happy.

use the $0 included PMC+ if you must or do not care - but it's simply stupid money to spend $1120 on the PMCC - there is no Porsche advantage with this product, and there are quite a few short falls vs. alternatives in the product space.

But as noted in my post - https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...uide-to-the-porsche-evse-pmc-pmcc-pwcc.13886/

I'm equally sure many lurkers, and people who have never seen an internet forum are happily and blissfully unaware that the internet community thinks they will have problems with their perfectly functional porsche EVSE

YMMV

 

[ShiftyWolf]

But as noted in my post - https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...uide-to-the-porsche-evse-pmc-pmcc-pwcc.13886/

I'm equally sure many lurkers, and people who have never seen an internet forum are happily and blissfully unaware that the internet community thinks they will have problems with their perfectly functional porsche EVSE

And how many are using their Porsche mobile chargers blissfully unaware that their 40A EVSE has been derated through software to 20A and they never think to check it?

I hear the Tesla universal wall connector is pretty good

 

[daveo4EV]

And how many are using their Porsche mobile chargers blissfully unaware that their 40A EVSE has been derated through software to 20A and they never think to check it?

I hear the Tesla universal wall connector is pretty good

yeah that was a tour-do-force in incompetence when they rolled out that OTA change "fix" their problems.

we can't do OTA updates for our vehicle's - but we can nerf the entire North American Hybrid/EV Porsche EVSE fleet overnight - and then have the dealer network be confused for serveral weeks while everyone realizes what we did - and then we can undo it with another OTA update - but never provide an update for the units that were affected. And to this day our customer support network is clueless about how to answer questions about this - never mind the lack of any release notes.

I bet there are a lot of customers charging at 1/2 speed and they don't even realize it - which at the end of the day is not a problem unless you're in a hurry to get the car charged.

 

[RainGuy]

I am configuring a 2025 4S right now and the trying to understand the home charging situation. We have a 2 car garage with 2 Teslas currently. My old Tesla is going to get moved out and replaced with the new Taycan. Do i just buy one of these and i am good to go? https://a.co/d/3B0QaKx ?

 

[gtm]

I am configuring a 2025 4S right now and the trying to understand the home charging situation. We have a 2 car garage with 2 Teslas currently. My old Tesla is going to get moved out and replaced with the new Taycan. Do i just buy one of these and i am good to go? https://a.co/d/3B0QaKx ?

@RainGuy .Yes, but no. Buy the TeslaTap Mini. Way more money but zero compatibility issues. I've used mine on both V2 and V3 EVSEs and many destination chargers. It just works, where a problem is reported every once in a while with the less expensive ones.
Edit: Buy direct. It's cheaper than on Amazon

 

[RainGuy]

Yes, but no. Buy the TeslaTap Mini. Way more money but zero compatibility issues. I've used mine on both V2 and V3 EVSEs and many destination chargers. It just works, where a problem is reported every once in a while with the less expensive ones.
Edit: Buy direct. It's cheaper than on Amazon

Thanks for pointing me to a good one. The one i linked seemed far too cheap. How do i know what GEN Tesla Home Charger i have? I think its V2 as i replaced the first one about 5 or 6 years ago. It has a black plastic cover which from my googling tells me its a V2 as the V3's are white... Is that correct?

 

[gtm]

Thanks for pointing me to a good one. The one i linked seemed far too cheap. How do i know what GEN Tesla Home Charger i have? I think its V2 as i replaced the first one about 5 or 6 years ago. It has a black plastic cover which from my googling tells me its a V2 as the V3's are white... Is that correct?

I think you are correct (but you can get different color glass plates). My V2 is at another location but memory says it's black. The V3 in the garage here does have a white face plate. The major difference is that the V3 connects to the internet and is configurable for various amperage settings. My V2 is on a 60 amp breaker. I just plug in with the TeslaTap adapter and it charges at 48 amps. Piece of cake.

On a related topic. If you road trip at all buy the Tesla Mobile Connector. The Porsche one, which might not even be included any more, is pretty lame. The Tesla one is 1/3 the size and weight and incredibly simple to use (you just plug in). With that and the TealaTap you can use any Tesla destination charger at 11 kW, which have proven to be far more reliable than the 3 or 5 or 6 kW non-Tesla EVSEs you encounter out on the road.

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