Finally acquired! Taycan GTS ST (huge MSRP)

[Crazymind]

I bought mine right off… thinking it was forever… I am now of the understanding that forever in Taycan language means 8 Years. After 8 Years it will worth its weight at the scrapyard. Based on resale value I think it will
be best to sell it after 3 to 5 Years.
The resale value is also a constant joke people play.
Value and Jokes are worth 1200 depreciation per month. Quite annoying from any perspective.

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[Emm]

Similar pricing situation here in Sweden -- my 2023 GTS Sport Turismo listed for ~$184K new; after 1 owner/18 months/13,6K miles, I bought it via a Porsche Center with 18 months remaining warranty/free service/subsidized insurance for ~116K (~68K down). My current plan is to keep it for another ~3 years and then look for a similar J1.2 Turbo to replace it with (to me, these cars are way too price depreciative to buy brand new, especially with the extensive options list I have :–).

 

[Fun TC Driving]

It is a beauty. So many special options to enjoy looking at it. Happy miles of driving smiles to you.

 

[Genau]

I don’t know about other Taycan owners here but I never thought about depreciation when I bought this car because it is going to depreciate because it isn’t a bar of gold ?
My philosophy is, buy what you’ll enjoy driving and drive it. Or buy some bars of gold for the same money and stick it in a locker and it will not depreciate ?

I’m pretty much in agreement with you, except that a 3.3 mm dent in the shield under the battery pack can lead to the car being totaled by the insurance company given that Taycans rapidly depreciate below the ridiculous price quoted for that issue.

 

[Murph7355]

I bought mine right off… thinking it was forever… I am now of the understanding that forever in Taycan language means 8 Years. After 8 Years it will worth its weight at the scrapyard. Based on resale value I think it will
be best to sell it after 3 to 5 Years.
The resale value is also a constant joke people play.
Value and Jokes are worth 1200 depreciation per month. Quite annoying from any perspective.

It's not going to suddenly stop working at 8yrs.

My current expectation is I'll keep mine for at least that long....no need to get humped on depreciation, and the new version does nothing for me. It's as fast as a car really needs to be for road use, and drives beautifully. Range is good enough with charging capability meaning it covers the bases.

I'm still hoping that Porsche come up with a battery warranty extension that matches the rest of the car (15yrs/130k miles). And a means to update the battery, maybe, and the PCM. Not holding my breath, but it doesn't matter. I have a great car.

Kept my RS4 for 12yrs and 105k miles. See no reason this won't be the same or more.

 

[Crazymind]

It will not stop working, it will just not worth anything after. I really like the car but if I look at the depreciation I could have run a V8 Ferrari losing less money over the same period. Doesn’t look good on Porsche at all.
in reality there will not be warranty extension on the battery, nor replacement nor PCM update and the 80% battery charge will give us 150 miles of autonomy.
We all agree it was a great deal ???.
My personal feeling at this point of the story is that I have been scammed.

 

[Emm]

[…] a 3.3 mm dent in the shield under the battery pack can lead to the car being totaled by the insurance company […]

Say what now? I've never heard anything about smaller dents in the shield under the car possibly leading to any issues with the battery packs — shouldn't the shield be able to protect the battery properly even with such a small dent?

 

[Genau]

Say what now? I've never heard anything about smaller dents in the shield under the car possibly leading to any issues with the battery packs — shouldn't the shield be able to protect the battery properly even with such a small dent?

896 posts to this thread at the moment:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...cost-dealership-is-tom-wood-in-indiana.20407/​

 

[Emm]

896 posts to this thread at the moment:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...cost-dealership-is-tom-wood-in-indiana.20407/​

Thanks for the link! I read the first couple of pages and was surprised to learn that such a small dent in the shield could possibly damage the batteries — I would have thought Porsche made the construction such that there is a margin between the shield and the batteries so that smaller damages to the shield wouldn't transfer over to the batteries.

 

[Genau]

Thanks for the link! I read the first couple of pages and was surprised to learn that such a small dent in the shield could possibly damage the batteries — I would have thought Porsche made the construction such that there is a margin between the shield and the batteries so that smaller damages to the shield wouldn't transfer over to the batteries.

There’s no evidence that the dent actually damaged the batteries, which is why this is scandalous. Apparently Porsche just has a pass/fail criterion that triggers an entire HV battery pack replacement without any effort to see if the battery pack was compromised in any way. Also, Porsche apparently provides zero service guidance to rework the battery pack after a dent, whereas if a battery module fails under warranty, Porsche generally insists on disassembling the pack and replacing just the failed module. Porsche clearly has not put much thought into making EVs affordably serviceable, which partly explains why Taycans depreciate so rapidly.

 

[BigBob]

It's not going to suddenly stop working at 8yrs.

My current expectation is I'll keep mine for at least that long....no need to get humped on depreciation, and the new version does nothing for me. It's as fast as a car really needs to be for road use, and drives beautifully. Range is good enough with charging capability meaning it covers the bases.

I'm still hoping that Porsche come up with a battery warranty extension that matches the rest of the car (15yrs/130k miles). And a means to update the battery, maybe, and the PCM. Not holding my breath, but it doesn't matter. I have a great car.

Kept my RS4 for 12yrs and 105k miles. See no reason this won't be the same or more.

My view / experience is similar, in my case with a Panamera Turbo I ran for 10years. However, the big difference (concern) is I was able to start taking the Panamera to a Porsche specialist (rather than main dealer) and get good quality maintenance without getting gouged. Makes running an older car more palatable. However, with our Taycans, I can’t see that facility being available. So hitting the window of good money after bad will probably arrive quite a lot sooner. That’s the real head scratcher.

still, I’ve no great desire to to crystallise a loss, though I would love to know how Porsche dealership would price up a part-ex on my nearly 3 yr old for a similar spec nearly new one. Or maybe I don’t want to know!

 

[Emm]

There’s no evidence that the dent actually damaged the batteries, which is why this is scandalous. Apparently Porsche just has a pass/fail criterion that triggers an entire HV battery pack replacement without any effort to see if the battery pack was compromised in any way. Also, Porsche apparently provides zero service guidance to rework the battery pack after a dent, whereas if a battery module fails under warranty, Porsche generally insists on disassembling the pack and replacing just the failed module. Porsche clearly has not put much thought into making EVs affordably serviceable, which partly explains why Taycans depreciate so rapidly.

Shouldn't a diagnostic analysis of the batteries be able to ascertain whether any battery cells were actually impacted (damaged) or not in conjunction with such a dent event?

I recently did a battery diagnosis on my 2023 Taycan GTS Sport Turismo via Aviloo (out of curiosity, i.e. un-dent-related :–), and got the following results:

- Milage: 24 963 km (~15,511 miles)
- Battery charge state: 71.5%
- Battery temperature: +21° C (~69.8° F)
- Maximum temperature deviation in the cell: 1° C (~33.8° F)
- Pack voltage: 768.6 V
- Maximum voltage deviation in the cell: 6 mV
- Top current under control: -2.35 A

- Health condition (SoH - manufacturer read-out): 95.27%
- Use of high voltage battery and history: 67 out of 70 p
- Battery performance with high voltage: 29 out of 30 p
- Control unit for high voltage battery: Approved
- Interface for vehicle communication: Approved

It would be interesting to hear from others with more knowledge about Taycan battery technology whether these values are above, on par, or below average (under corresponding conditions).

 

[Murph7355]

Shouldn't a diagnostic analysis of the batteries be able to ascertain whether any battery cells were actually impacted (damaged) or not in conjunction with such a dent event?

I recently did a battery diagnosis on my 2023 Taycan GTS Sport Turismo via Aviloo (out of curiosity, i.e. un-dent-related :–), and got the following results:

It would be interesting to hear from others with more knowledge about Taycan battery technology whether these values are above, on par, or below average (under corresponding conditions).

I think the issue is less about the cells, and more about the cooling. The channels for which run through the bottom of the battery pack.

 

[Flying ace]

Nobody here wants to talk about MY car? ?

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Nobody here wants to talk about car? ?

(Raises hand) I do; what will it be worth after you finish the drive home? How about at midpoint?

j/k, ignore the haters, enjoy what is an absolutely fantastic car.

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