Piwi diagnostic program for Porche Taykan

[carlos vilarinho]

I am sorry but this car of yours looks like a real Dog’s Breakfast.

You see a car for sale in Netherlands at a very attractive price.
I guess with a private seller, certainly not a Porsche dealer and it does not seem to be a reputable dealer either. Not even a RTC guarantee (Round the Corner)
You test drive it and see a number of fault messages. But no explanation.
You have problem with the lining of the door and a window that has been damaged.
You do not get any history of the car at all it seems.
And you buy the car without getting it inspected by a Porsche dealer.

The car is transported to Poland and you wish the Porsche dealer to erase fault codes so that you can get the car registered in Poland. That sounds totally illegal when you have so many fault codes without addressing and fixing them. Porsche will never ever do such a thing. They may reboot the car with PIWIS to an original state, but not erase anything that remains

If you look at your screen shot you will see that you have some serious fault codes
- 12 brake electronics
- 8 suspension
- 8 high voltage battery
- 11 gateway
etc etc . In total they discovered 149 fault codes you say.

The car should have been serviced twice (every 30 k km), do you have a record of that? And was that done by a Porsche centre?

If a Porsche centre did the service, maybe they can give you some information what has been the status of the car at these stages?

Perhaps the car has been completely flooded so the electronics are fried? Or perhaps been involved in a crash, written off by insurance company and supposed to be sold for spares?

All sounds very bizarre to me.

Scandinavia, I never mentioned here that I would legalize the car in Poland with errors on the instrument panel, precisely the opposite for me to be able to carry out the legalization and this legal legalization there is absolutely nothing illegal here, I will have to fix the car and erase the errors either at Porsche or somewhere else…,because for the car to be legalize it has to pass an inspection (B) (legal) and as such it cannot have errors on the instrument panel, but I don't think I would even have to explain that to you, if there is anyone here who has already spoken about illegalities for the second time, that person was you... not me... nor anyone else! Yes, I bought the car in Netherlands my mistake for not having taken the car to a representative for a diagnosis, the car was not flooded with anything (once again I don’t know where you get that history of flooded ,you must be confused about something)….as I already mentioned the car starts and runs perfectly, the suspension goes up and down and does what it is supposed to do... everything else even with errors in the car control unit,the car works and drive the only thing that is not working is the front windshield wipers….!I sincerely think that you are shooting shots where they do not exist and dramatising a situation that is not dramatic at all! I will do a new diagnosis and I will certainly find the problem, there would be two things here that would need to be changed as they could be giving these errors to the car, one is the 12 V battery, which I will see together with the diagnosis next week if by chance it will not need to be changed and the other could be the high voltage converter that is located at the front next to the 12 V battery!!!

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[carlos vilarinho]

Scandinavia, I never mentioned here that I would legalize the car in Poland with errors on the instrument panel, precisely the opposite for me to be able to carry out the legalization and this legal legalization there is absolutely nothing illegal here, I will have to fix the car and erase the errors either at Porsche or somewhere else! Yes, I bought the car in Holland, my mistake for not having taken the car to a representative for a diagnosis, the car was not flooded with anything, as I already mentioned the car starts and runs perfectly, the suspension goes up and down and does what it is supposed to do... everything else even with errors in the centralization works the only thing that is not working is the front windshield, I sincerely think that you are shooting shots where they do not exist and dramatizing a situation that is not dramatic at all! I will do a new diagnosis and I will certainly find the problem, there would be two things here that would need to be changed as they could be giving these errors to the car, one is the 12 V battery, which I will see together with the diagnosis next week if by chance it will not need to be changed and the other could be the high voltage converter that is located at the front next to the 12 V battery!!!

149 errors was what was initially mentioned to me, but later, from the photos of the diagnosis that I had access to, I realized that the red circles are the errors and the number of times all the rest are not errors present! I honestly don't see where you're going with this story of illegality, nothing here was handled or done illegally, even when purchasing the car there are invoices and documents... not in compliance and someone who wants to provide you with a service does not carry out the service and still charges

 

[carlos vilarinho]

Scandinavian,Can you see in these attached photos any part of the car that has been involved in an accident? I honestly don't think so, but I think you are commenting with the purpose of destructive criticism and not constructive criticism, which is what a forum is for!

 

[carlos vilarinho]

Sorry for your experience with buying a Taycan.

As alteady said you will not be able to just erase the fault codes. If the underlying problem has not been rectified, the message will pop up again, and rightly so.

As I understood this you bought the car in Netherlands and transported it to Polen? Did you inspect the car beforehand? And test drove it? Or unseen?

I guess this was not a Porsche dealer and no Porsche inspection beforehand either. I can understand that it might be desirable to import a car, but I would not go near anything that did not go through a manufacturers inspection. At least then you would have an appreciation of what needs doing to the car?

And the fee for a full test report can easily run to 600 or more Euros for such an inspection, but then you would get a full written report.

I am surprised if the seller did not know of a lot of theese problems already. Do you not have any chance of returning the car?

If you want and are willing to help me with the car's errors or problems, I thank you and I am very grateful, but don't come and tell me things that didn't happen, that weren't done, and in no way try to say that I did or want to do something illegal, or that the car had accidents or that it was submerged in water, etc., etc. If you have knowledge, I appreciate your technical opinion and experience, I don't appreciate criticism and statements that are meaningful and untrue and without any sense! Thank you.

 

[allroadusa]

Sorry but I totally understand the questions that have been raised. This amount of errors can only be explained by a massive failure, ie one or many crashed modules. Such module failures can only be caused by an external event (fire, flooding or accident).
Having you buy a car with known errors, exported it from the Netherlands to Poland may legitimate the hypothesis of a totalized car you’d like to make revive at low cost.
if I’m wrong then you’re probably more naive than I thought.

 

[carlos vilarinho]

Sorry but I totally understand the questions that have been raised. This amount of errors can only be explained by a massive failure, ie one or many crashed modules. Such module failures can only be caused by an external event (fire, flooding or accident).
Having you buy a car with known errors, exported it from the Netherlands to Poland may legitimate the hypothesis of a totalized car you’d like to make revive at low cost.
if I’m wrong then you’re probably more naive than I thought.

No. I was not aware of the number of errors the car had when I imported it. I was only aware of the lights on the instrument panel. I recognize that the car had been vandalized. They broke a back window and put a cigarette inside, which burned some of the back seat and the upper part of the door trim. Obviously, I did not pay the market price for the car, but below market price. When I changed the back seats, door trim and glass, none of the electrical installation was affected, not even the speakers. Now I can't say that all the modules are broken either, especially since I was not given a complete diagnosis. For this reason, I will do a second diagnosis. In fact, the suspension works and the car runs and drives! Let me add that the questions may have their purpose, but it is one thing to ask and another to say that there was or is or is a desire to do something illegal! I bought the car because it was obvious that there would be one thing or another that needed to be changed because it was previously vandalized!

 

[carlos vilarinho]

I think that here it is important at this stage to know what is actually working properly and what is not and in which modules there were failures and to see if there is actually a pattern, if there is a pattern then it will be possible to point out with almost 100% certainty where the problem is, but for that I will have to have access to all the error diagnostics and together with the Mechanic we will determine what will have to be replaced so that the car is 100%! Now without complete diagnostic information everything I can say is just speculation.

 

[carlos vilarinho]

I am sure of one thing and I was told at Porche that the car battery does not indicate any type of problem, in fact it charges perfectly and the car starts well.

 

[Scandinavian]

Later I went back to the dealership again to speak to the workshop manager and ask him why the diagnostics cost 420 euros when they had previously told me that they had not even erased the errors and that they had

he informed me that they had checked the errors and cleared them and that they had done the check-up again after 30 minutes and that the same errors had returned again (a bit strange).

As soon as I got in, I was told that the car had 149 faults (I was in disbelief). Then the man who did the diagnostics came and said that he hadn't even erased any faults. I asked him why and he replied that there were a lot of faults.... (I thought... he must be joking).

Here is where you say that you thought the service guys were joking because they had not erased any faults. You never seemed to have asked them to investigate the reason for all these faults? I am sure the service department would be able to investigate all of that, but at a cost. They surely could find the root cause of all these faults. I of course have no idea if they have qualified technicians for that work at that centre.

the only way for me to take the car to Porche would be to hire a tow truck but they can only transport it up to 1.3 tons

Seems strange with that low weight limit! I think my old 996 from -99 weighs more than that.

Only questioned if the car had been flooded since it seems like a hell of a lot electronics malfunctioning.
Anyhow Good Luck with your repairs!

I’mout!

 

[carlos vilarinho]

Here is where you say that you thought the service guys were joking because they had not erased any faults. You never seemed to have asked them to investigate the reason for all these faults? I am sure the service department would be able to investigate all of that, but at a cost. They surely could find the root cause of all these faults. I of course have no idea if they have qualified technicians for that work at that centre.



Seems strange with that low weight limit! I think my old 996 from -99 weighs more than that.

Only questioned if the car had been flooded since it seems like a hell of a lot electronics malfunctioning.
Anyhow Good Luck with your repairs!

I’mout!

Yes, that was the first guy I spoke to, and that same guy was more interested in the internal condition and tires of my car than in actually giving me an explanation of where the problem could come from! If you search for what I wrote at the beginning of the forum ahead, you will also find that I went back to the dealership to speak to the service manager after telling him that this was not the way to act towards a customer at a Porsche dealership and that I had contacted another Porsche dealership in Portugal where I explained what had happened and they advised me to make the complaint to the dealership in Poland! Yes, I completely agree with you, it is obvious that they could have known where the problem lay, even though I wanted them to solve the problem for me, the first guy I spoke to. He told me that since someone had fixed the interior of the car, the dealership would not accept to perform any repair work on the car! About two days ago I was again with the service manager because my car is still in the dealership's parking lot and in conversation he mentioned that the cause of some of the errors could be a 12 V battery or it could also be the replacement of the high voltage DC/DC converter. He also told me that he would contact someone he knew and that he would call me on Monday, so that he could analyze if the entire car had high voltage because he said that he had already had a Taykan with this problem! He also advised me not to inspect the interior wiring (wires, fuses, etc.), which I honestly found strange, especially because when I replaced the door trim, the window and the back seat, I touched the car's wiring and even checked all the fuse boxes in the car to see if there was a damaged fuse (not one fuse was damaged). I also didn't see anything melted or damaged in the wiring before taking the car to the dealership and I didn't get any electrical choke and I didn't notice that anything was energized, I think they have specialized technicians but it's like everything...

 

[bigkraig]

Find someone with a PIWIS, rent one, or buy one yourself, you can read all of the codes, clear them, and see what comes back. Based on that you can determine what kind of repairs are necessary.

Things like dead/low voltage on the 12v battery can cause all kinds of crazy errors -- my local dealer was going to replace my Gateway because of a failing 12v LiFePo4 battery.

 

[carlos vilarinho]

Here is where you say that you thought the service guys were joking because they had not erased any faults. You never seemed to have asked them to investigate the reason for all these faults? I am sure the service department would be able to investigate all of that, but at a cost. They surely could find the root cause of all these faults. I of course have no idea if they have qualified technicians for that work at that centre.



Seems strange with that low weight limit! I think my old 996 from -99 weighs more than that.

Only questioned if the car had been flooded since it seems like a hell of a lot electronics malfunctioning.
Anyhow Good Luck with your repairs!

I’mout!

 

[carlos vilarinho]

Scandinavian I am extremely grateful and thankful for your observation, as you must understand all the information that you can acquire at this time regarding the car's errors and how to fix them is quite a winner for me, now I have to agree with you in a little bit the Porsche technician with the diagnosis I am almost certain that he knows where the origin of the problem is and another reason why they did not erase the errors is the fact that the first guy told me that as someone had left the inside of the door and the back seat the dealer would refuse to do any service on the car, this after they had taken the car for diagnosis and after having finished the diagnosis gave presumably 4 hours of work in which they only say that I would have to pay for two... anyway...

 

[carlos vilarinho]

Find someone with a PIWIS, rent one, or buy one yourself, you can read all of the codes, clear them, and see what comes back. Based on that you can determine what kind of repairs are necessary.

Things like dead/low voltage on the 12v battery can cause all kinds of crazy errors -- my local dealer was going to replace my Gateway because of a failing 12v LiFePo4 battery.

Exactly, I have an appointment scheduled for the 2nd for a Piwi diagnosis without going to the dealership exactly for that reason to evaluate what errors remain and see where they come from!! Yes, the 12 V battery, if damaged, can give many errors according to information, another information is that the battery can be reconditioned, that is, if it breaks down, you can send the battery for reconditioning! I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your information and comment.

 

[bigkraig]

Exactly, I have an appointment scheduled for the 2nd for a Piwi diagnosis without going to the dealership exactly for that reason to evaluate what errors remain and see where they come from!! Yes, the 12 V battery, if damaged, can give many errors according to information, another information is that the battery can be reconditioned, that is, if it breaks down, you can send the battery for reconditioning! I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your information and comment.

My dealership ordered me a replacement battery that was also bad, so they had to order a second one. Maybe you have had similar luck.

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