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The Porsche Taycan is my biggest disappointment this decade

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My biggest disappointment is the price of the Porsche Connect subscription!
My phone costs me £6.50 per month for a service that is more than I really need and use every day.
Porsche Connect is £29.50 per month for a service that is nice to have but I only use a few times a week.
I am not going to renew and see how it goes without.
At £5 or even £10 it would be OK.
There are several functions under connect sub… but what about charging subscription: it was about 25€ month if you wanted lower price per kwh at superfast charging stations 🤯
Few months ago, they lowered down to 15€, but still 🤦🏻‍♂️
 

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ar did not have the necessary hardware. The other features usedearlier was the sending off planned route tithe car, but since that has stopped working for me during thüsu,mer
It doesn’t work for my MY25 as well… actually, i tried twice.
First, it didn’t come to the car at all, on my 2nd try, it came… after about an hout, when i stopped in the store for shopping 🤦🏻‍♂️
 


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Have you ever seen software that has no bugs? Tesla by the way has way more bugs, they just fix them quicker.
It’s easier to forgive bugs on a responsive, well designed, with good interface central system.

It’s a lot harder to swallow Spotify crashing in error after waiting 3 minutes for it to start :)
 

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I keep looking for a car I like driving more than my Taycan. So far it doesn't exist. When I find that car I will eat the Taycan depreciation and buy it. But so far, it looks like I will have this thing for 10 years because it is such a joy to drive.
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It’s easier to forgive bugs on a responsive, well designed, with good interface central system.

It’s a lot harder to swallow Spotify crashing in error after waiting 3 minutes for it to start :)
I see your point, though I gotta tell, I used to be in that camp, but a decade in 4 Teslas made me see it's not so simple.

For example, none of the Taycan bugs I ever encountered became an immediate safety issue, or damage my car. Tesla's did; on one occasion on a coast-to-coast trip, I found out the hard way that Tesla messed up the front windshield defrost logic, so I found myself doing 70mph on a dark rural highway at night in Indiana, then it got very humid, so I turn on the max defrost and my window glazes over with ice near instantly. It was not fun, and it was dangerous to drive with my head out the driver's window to find a place to pull over. I got on the forums, what do you know, a known issue, fixed the very next day via OTA, but it could have ended really badly.

On another occasion Tesla decided it's a good idea to automatically unfold side mirrors whenever the car starts moving (i.e. goes from 0mph to 0.01mph). It was a workaround to a bug Tesla couldn't figure out, where sometimes one or both mirrors would not unfold when getting into the car. After the update, my wife drove her Model S to a place where she's been going for over a year. The parking sports were tight, so she got in the habit of folding the side windows after getting into the car so she could backup and clear a concrete column. Well, the car starts backing up, and decided to unfold the just folded mirrors just in time to crush one of the mirrors against the column. Tesla refused to pay for the damage (according to them you're supposed to read all the fine print release notes every OTA, which sometimes happened 3x per week). Oh, Tesla changed the speed threshold of when the mirrors force unfold from 0.0001 mph to 15 or 20mph a week or two later, via OTA. Too late for our car.

There are of course examples where quick fixes are much preferred, like the battery faults risking fires. Taycan's 9 month long stint with the alarms randomly going off, etc.

What I'm saying is there are two sides to this story - there is no clear winner. In case of Tesla, they also abused OTA do do things like disable features that previously worked, or sell unfinished features which were never delivered because they always had a CYA of "we're still working on it", a good example would be FSD my my wife's 2017 and 2018 Model S'es - according to the description, those cars were supposed to drive my friends and family around, while driving to Tesla Ride Sharing Network making me money whenever I didn't use them. A decade later, do you think either of those model year cars will ever do that? If you think so, I got a bridge to sell you. ;)
 


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I wanted to provide at one counter argument. I"ve done over 50,000 miles over 4 years in my 2021 CT and only been to the dealer to get the recall updates done. Yes the screen has gone blank a couple of times a year but really I can't believe that a car this complicated has been so flawless.

It has been so reliable we bought a Macan EV. And whilst the software is better in that, I really don't care. I spend all day looking at screens and as long as CarPlay works then I'm golden.

I'm sorry that you have had so many issues, but not every Taycan is like that, unless I truly am the lucky one here.
You are absolutely right, not every car has problems. The spread of problems is the largest surprise to me. I have also done 80000km (about 50000 miles) and my car has had so many issues and problems. Sum up all the dates and it has spent more than 6 months in the workshop over close to 6 years.

Seems to me that there is some issues with build and design quality, like tolerances and capacities in HW and SW are at the limit somehow. If the tolerances are in the correct level, all is fine, but deviate and all kinds of issues occurr. Like getting the 5th or 6th new heater installed in January as a recall!

And I have given up completely on the PCM and its software and do not use it any longer at all. CarPlay all the time now.

I can well understand that there is no such thing as bug free software and there can be some manufacturing issues etc. But there is absolutely No excuse whatsoever for the total lack of communication from Porsche, nor the total silence about any acknowledgement of issues. No OTA despite that being a feature that was sold and promoted at sales
 

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I see your point, though I gotta tell, I used to be in that camp, but a decade in 4 Teslas made me see it's not so simple.

For example, none of the Taycan bugs I ever encountered became an immediate safety issue, or damage my car. Tesla's did; on one occasion on a coast-to-coast trip, I found out the hard way that Tesla messed up the front windshield defrost logic, so I found myself doing 70mph on a dark rural highway at night in Indiana, then it got very humid, so I turn on the max defrost and my window glazes over with ice near instantly. It was not fun, and it was dangerous to drive with my head out the driver's window to find a place to pull over. I got on the forums, what do you know, a known issue, fixed the very next day via OTA, but it could have ended really badly.

On another occasion Tesla decided it's a good idea to automatically unfold side mirrors whenever the car starts moving (i.e. goes from 0mph to 0.01mph). It was a workaround to a bug Tesla couldn't figure out, where sometimes one or both mirrors would not unfold when getting into the car. After the update, my wife drove her Model S to a place where she's been going for over a year. The parking sports were tight, so she got in the habit of folding the side windows after getting into the car so she could backup and clear a concrete column. Well, the car starts backing up, and decided to unfold the just folded mirrors just in time to crush one of the mirrors against the column. Tesla refused to pay for the damage (according to them you're supposed to read all the fine print release notes every OTA, which sometimes happened 3x per week). Oh, Tesla changed the speed threshold of when the mirrors force unfold from 0.0001 mph to 15 or 20mph a week or two later, via OTA. Too late for our car.

There are of course examples where quick fixes are much preferred, like the battery faults risking fires. Taycan's 9 month long stint with the alarms randomly going off, etc.

What I'm saying is there are two sides to this story - there is no clear winner. In case of Tesla, they also abused OTA do do things like disable features that previously worked, or sell unfinished features which were never delivered because they always had a CYA of "we're still working on it", a good example would be FSD my my wife's 2017 and 2018 Model S'es - according to the description, those cars were supposed to drive my friends and family around, while driving to Tesla Ride Sharing Network making me money whenever I didn't use them. A decade later, do you think either of those model year cars will ever do that? If you think so, I got a bridge to sell you. ;)
I mean, Taycans have their fair share of frosted windows issue due to failing heaters.
So if it were a software bug rather than a hardware one, maybe I wouldn’t even be as mad

And Taycan almost killed me when PCM crashed mid drive to logo screen and disengaged / disabled inno drive.

So yea, again, in my experience taycan is worse on all counts :)
 

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Thx.
The reason why i was asking was that my troubles with “yellow & red” errors occured when i started with DC more often (6-8 times a month), durng summer times…with outside temperature 35C or higher; when battery temperature over 50, 51C…
 

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Some very interesting points.

I think Porsche / VW in general suffer from poor quality software (bugs), UI and UX major issues across the board. (A few days ago, someone posted a link to YouTube which explained it well.)

Much of this isn't EV specific - I had a lot of courtesy cars when I had my j1.1 and it was the same in a Cayenne, Panamera (2.9 engine, perhaps the dullest car I have driven in years!) and Macan. Naturally however, the nature of an EV massively adds to challenges and resulting mess.

The 1.2 is better or no worse in all areas, but still has niggles which should have been ironed out a long time ago.


Porsche needs to review their prices.

The service costs for an EV are frankly silly - drain plugs! - and vary enormously between UK dealerships and by country. My opinion is the UK customer is likely being taken for a ride at times.

Also, agree with the comments about excessing price gouging to for subscriptions to control basic functionality.

This made my chuckle when asking them to price match on tyres, “[the Porsche] tyre fitter here is trained specifically in dealing with Porsche wheels”. It’s a 5 stud wheel, so I’m not sure what specific training they need to justify a 33% price uplift!


The car is too big to park in many places. But I love it, hence being on my second one.

I’ll likely keep it until company taxation makes it better financially to switch back to an older petrol car – maybe a 991 that pre dates the silly pings, bongs and quite dangerous lane keep bastard.
 

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My biggest disappointment is the price of the Porsche Connect subscription!
My phone costs me £6.50 per month for a service that is more than I really need and use every day.
Porsche Connect is £29.50 per month for a service that is nice to have but I only use a few times a week.
I am not going to renew and see how it goes without.
At £5 or even £10 it would be OK.
Agreed on price. I feel I am a fairly heavy user of connect: go on long trips, don't really use CarPlay, stream apple music for days, use PCM navigation, use insurance mandated tracking service and I still think its overpriced.

When my free trial runs out – 13 months from now – I'll just pay it yearly upfront so at least it won't be annoying me monthly (false economy, I know!).
 
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Interesting post.

I came to my Taycan from a £100k+ RS6. i Honestly dont feel the PCM is that bad... Yes I have to reset it every now and again and yes it can be slow. But it was certainly comparable to the AUDI. Apple car play seems to crash in all cars from time to time. My Audi even had a few bits fail (gateway unit (no nav for 3 months) and fuel flap) and was in the garage a bit. My Taycan, touch wood, has been perfect across 23kmiles.

I love the car. I love the looks, the handling, the driving position etc.

But. Even though I bought 'nearly new' (3month, 200miles) for about 40% under list its still the greatest depreciating car I have owned... Unfortunately this does take the edge off ownership a little.

I wanted a car that matched the performance of the RS6 and gave me the fizz but didn't cost a tenner to turn on. The Taycan certainly does that - but in hindsight any running cost savings I've had (fuel, tax, warranty etc) have been massively eclipsed by depreciation. In fact, monitoring the values of my RS6 vs the Taycan i would have been better off staying in the V8....

I still cannot fathom how good value these cars are! I'm seeing '23 4s CT's advertised for below 50k. Its absolutely criminal that they have dropped so much!!

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