What would you like to see in a Taycan refresh (SSP Sport / J2)

[Freeewilly]

I agree with Chun
Rimac solid state battery of 100kwh that can charge in 6,5 minutes and weight less and is smaller.
So lighter car, most space for the back feet or if we can slide the feet under the front seat, same look as now and off course better software with one big cpu that can be updated in WiFi as well as 5G.

Yes, everyone want solid state battery, but no one wants to pay 2-3 times more
(no idea how much solid state battery cost)

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[chun]

Yes, everyone want solid state battery, but no one wants to pay 2-3 times more
(no idea how much solid state battery cost)

We are already paying 2-3x more

An NCM 811 battery from CATL, like the one in j1.2, in china costs between 105-120$ per kWh. That would put a 105 kWh battery at 18.000 at most. And you can absolutely get better deals.
Porsche is charging 3x more for a battery for j1.2 replacement to insurance companies, driving the price of insurances through the roof.

And a NCM 712 like the one in j1.1 goes for 52-68$ per kwh, that would make a 95 kwh battery for j1.1 cost 7k at most - but nobody makes them anymore in China, because they were shit. How many months ago was it that someone reported a 70k price tag for one of these? 10x more?

So yea, Porsche might want to sell their cars with a lower margin if they want to stay competitive. The market values a 4 door sedan EV at below 100k, no matter how fancy badge you got.

 

[ze_shark]

The arguments ...

Since when can one expect to pay wholesale (probably FOB) volume pricing for a retail replacement part with the outbound and dangerous freight intricacies ?

But yes, China perfecter wonderfuliscious and Porsche bad bad bad.

 

[chun]

The arguments ...

Since when can one expect to pay wholesale (probably FOB) volume pricing for a retail replacement part with the outbound and dangerous freight intricacies ?

But yes, China perfecter wonderfuliscious and Porsche bad bad bad.

I’m sorry; one should expect to pay 70.000 for a j1.1 battery, 10x what CATL sells it for to Mercedes?
Because it has a porsche badge?

lmao

there’s a difference between having a profit margin and literarly scamming your customers - in this case insurances, which in turn increase the price costumers pay for those insurances

I have some Porsche crayons to sell. Are you interested? Or some Porsches socks? Premium ones, from merino wool.

China is not perfect, but they are the industry leader on batteries. Not sure what you are implying? That the batteries are cheaper because they are Chinese, despite being literarly made by the industry leader? My god… the mental gymnastics one must do to spread their cheeks so much for porsche


By the same logic, Rimac will sell that solid battery for 20.000-25.000 to porsche; and Porsche will sell it to insurances for 250.000, right? How dare people expect to pay anything less than 10x ? Entitled f**ks, right? Obviously we should pay 10x.

 

[ze_shark]

Your argument is nonsense because it compares high volume wholesale FOB cell prices (or so they are claimed to be by more or less serious industry analysts) with retail spare parts as charged by dealerships. It amounts to comparing carrots piled up in a farm with a julienne served on a plate in a chic restaurant. Does that analogy speak to you ?

And replying to your posts is unfortunately always a waste of time because you are a completely unserious interlocutor whose sole aim is to clarion Porsche bad bad bad, seasoned with abundant disinformation presented in a collection of random half clever factoids.

Go find the spare pack price a chinese OEM charges to customers in Europe or the US (good luck) for an equivalent battery, and then you may something to say.

 

[chun]

Your argument is nonsense because it compares high volume wholesale FOB cell prices (or so they are claimed to be by more or less serious industry analysts) with retail spare parts as charged by dealerships. It amounts to comparing carrots piled up in a farm with a julienne served on a plate in a chic restaurant. Does that analogy speak to you ?

And replying to your posts is unfortunately always a waste of time because you are a completely unserious interlocutor whose sole aim is to clarion Porsche bad bad bad, seasoned with abundant disinformation presented in a collection of random half clever factoids.

Go find the spare pack price a chinese OEM charges to customers in Europe or the US (good luck) for an equivalent battery, and then you may something to say.

I’m sorry, do you think Porsche orders one battery module from LG every time one fails?

 

[smoothound]

Proper switches for common functions, more rear foot-room (CT), more impressive interior lighting options, better surround cameras, better low-speed braking when wet (PSCB). More use of GPS to auto-trigger user configurations.

Charging profiles that hit the specified % and not 1-2% less every time.

 

[FredC057]

I’m sorry, do you think Porsche orders one battery module from LG every time one fails?

Come on Chun, try to make some sense from time to time.
How much did you pay your smartphone compared to the price of the wholesale price of the materials?

 

[chun]

Come on Chun, try to make some sense from time to time.
How much did you pay your smartphone compared to the price of the wholesale price of the materials?

A better comparison is how much did I pay for my smartphones battery

And the answer is 49 euros.

But sure; let’s take your example. The iPhone 15 pro 256gb has a BOM cost of around 530$.
Apple sells it at 1099; and it includes the software, assembly, shipping, marketing, warranty etc.

I wonder why they are not selling it for 5300$ instead; since clearly 10x is normal according to you guys.

Cluesless.

It’s normal for it to be a porsche tax, it’s not normal for it to be 10x.

And again, by your guys definition, a porsche with a solid state battery would cost closer to 500.000-1.000.000; since the battery will cost 10x what Rimac sells it for, because “porsche tax”. You’ll be more than happy to pay it, or pay 10.000-20.000 in insurance, right?

 

[ze_shark]

Your reasoning is perfectly embarrassing. Keep digging.

 

[Brombaer1971]

Apples and Oranges of course, the scale of Units is quite different. However I see the point, the taycan comes from times of 18% margins, which is quite something. Porsche is looking towards Ferrari which is quite a different company better lets say Brand.

However I am not sure this makes sense, if you want to stay competitive there is quite upside in customer satisfaction, you don‘t want to loose newly won customers.

But what do I know, in the end it is the decision of Porsche where to go for.

 

[Dl1]

Porsche's gross margin is like 25% in 2024: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/ann...operations-financial-position-and-net-assets/

There is no crazy 1000% profit.

 

[chun]

Porsche's gross margin is like 25% in 2024: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/ann...operations-financial-position-and-net-assets/

There is no crazy 1000% profit.

Not talking about the car; because I am quite sure they don’t ship a base taycan they value at 80k; with a battery they value at 70k in their car - basically the car without the battery being 10k.

Talking about what they sell the replacement batteries at, to insurances & people.

Example: Say you drive over a pot hole, you get a big hole in your battery. They will sell you/your insurance one battery for 70k, as we have seen on the forum before


Anyway, the thread derailed a lot. My point was we are already paying 2-3x or more for the battery. So even if we were paying 2-3x more for a solid state battery in the Taycan 2, people seem to be quite happy to pay whatever porsche asks

 

[jk981]

socks? Premium ones, from merino wool.

ok arguing aside, merino wool socks are incredible if you haven't tried them.

 

[refazi]

Looks like solid state batteries are finally here, hopefully it will trickle down to many EVs like the next gen Taycan ASAP
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