All Season Tyres. Help please.

[Ross]

That video is showing AWD with summer tires, which are sketchy even just in cold temperatures without any snow or ice.
I think that particular test is mainly for amusement value?

Anyway, both AWD and winter or all-weather tires have significantly noticeable benefits in snow and ice. Nobody is arguing with that. For drivers with AWD who only rarely drive in winter conditions, sticking with an all-season tire is defensible, although the increasingly wider selection of all-weather tire makes a year-round approach more viable.

I think the video is not for amusement value only although it is amusing!
Because it shows summer tyres are absolutely useless in snow and ice even on a 4WD vehicle.
The 2WD vehicle with winter tyres smokes it. It is hugely safer and more effective.
People think their big 4WD SUVs with huge,wide, low-profile (SUMMER) tyres will be good in winter, snow specifically, because they have 4WD. That is just dangerous.
Its nonsense, the tyres are MUCH more important than the 4WD even accepting that 4WD is a bit better than 2WD on the same tyres.

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[Jonathan S.]

Does anyone use summer-only (not all-season) tires in winter conditions?
if so, then that level of ignorance is unlikely to be dispelled by such a video.
By contrast, the Tire Rack test of the four different Michelin tires didn’t even bother testing the summer model in winter conditions.

 

[Ross]

Does anyone use summer-only (not all-season) tires in winter conditions?
if so, then that level of ignorance is unlikely to be dispelled by such a video.
By contrast, the Tire Rack test of the four different Michelin tires didn’t even bother testing the summer model in winter conditions.

95% of drivers in UK!!
True 'winter' conditions are rare in UK to be fair.
It is only forum/enthusiast type people in UK doing the winter swap and even then only recently.
I live in North of England and its still mild all year round.
I only started the winter flip recently, I have been driving 40 years and never been stuck in snow
due to summer tyres.
I do see the odd All Season tyre and winter tyre but it is rare and they tend to get left on all year.
Flipping every 6/12 with 2 sets of wheels is a recent thing in UK and still rare.

 

[Jonathan S.]

I’ll have to dig out that picture of myself playing in the snow near London during the winter of 1969-70 when I was three years old and my father was on sabbatical. (His specialty as a European historian was the British Labour Party, and we received the Observer each week via postal mail, which seemed wonderfully exotic during the 1970s in Binghamton NY.)

 

[f1eng]

95% of drivers in UK!!
True 'winter' conditions are rare in UK to be fair.
It is only forum/enthusiast type people in UK doing the winter swap and even then only recently.
I live in North of England and its still mild all year round.
I only started the winter flip recently, I have been driving 40 years and never been stuck in snow
due to summer tyres.
I do see the odd All Season tyre and winter tyre but it is rare and they tend to get left on all year.
Flipping every 6/12 with 2 sets of wheels is a recent thing in UK and still rare.

I started using winter tyres in winter after experiencing the difference when working in France in 1990.
Most Brits don’t have any experience but know they don’t need them.

Like kids saying they don’t like a particular food despite never trying it.

 

[4thPcar]

Awesome pic (as in, the conditions were awesome - that's the best time to go skiing, everyone else is buried at home). I am pleased to tell you that the standard all-seasons on my 4CT handled with aplomb the many snow and ice trips I took this past winter. Our snow tends to be slushier, but it's ice underneath and we've got some steep hills. A snow-oriented all-season, or a half-decent winter tire would work great on this car.

Edited to remove a misplaced quote; apologies, @4thPcar , I had quoted one of your messages from another thread intending to reply, not sure how it ended up here. It wasn't important, and not worth reposting. (For full disclosure, it was a bit of a cheeky dig.)

I am quite sure I deserved it

 

[WuffvonTrips]

Has anyone noticed whether the SEC swaps out Summer tyres before encouraging winter guests to discover the limits of their newly ordered cars?

 

[rickyrt1]

did you find a solution for the cross climate 2 tyres in those sizes?

also are you not concerned about using non NFO tyres?

 

[Porsche-Guru]

It is obvious after watching hours of you tube videos and reading articles that All Season tyres are a much better winter option than winter tyres for the north of England where there is snow on the ground only 1 or 2 days a year.
However I need a tyre with the 3 mountain peak snowflake symbol so I can drive legally in Sweden and French Alps.
Michelin Cross Climate 2 and Good Year All season are all season tyres that have the mountain/snowflake symbol (as well as M+S) because of their optimised snow performance.
But I can’t find anything in the right size.
245 45 20 fronts
285 40 20 rears
The NFO official fit All season Pirelli Cinturato P7 is M+S only, furiously expensive and probably last less time than an F1 tyre.
Anybody running 20’ All seasons?
I can’t fit 19’ with my big GTS callipers. Cheers

Did you manage to sort out any All Season tyres eventually?

I too am looking for AS tyres (based in South England, but occasional winter trips to Swiss/French Alps, hence need winter tyre certification).

Cannot do summer/winter switch over every 6 months. My car is EV leased (so return in 3 years, no point in spending my own money in a new set of winter alloys/ tyres).

Also, tyres are part of lease package, so I am not bothered about longevity.. just need some good performance All Season tyres.

I do have my own set for my M4, so very well understand the benefits of individual winter/summer over All Seasons....
... but for the Taycan, All Seasons would be the right buy for my circumstances.

Anyone else managed to get any All Seasons for 20" fitment?

 

[DougFrisk]

Did you manage to sort out any All Season tyres eventually?

I too am looking for AS tyres (based in South England, but occasional winter trips to Swiss/French Alps, hence need winter tyre certification).

Cannot do summer/winter switch over every 6 months. My car is EV leased (so return in 3 years, no point in spending my own money in a new set of winter alloys/ tyres).

Also, tyres are part of lease package, so I am not bothered about longevity.. just need some good performance All Season tyres.

I do have my own set for my M4, so very well understand the benefits of individual winter/summer over All Seasons....
... but for the Taycan, All Seasons would be the right buy for my circumstances.

Anyone else managed to get any All Seasons for 20" fitment?

Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires are what you're looking for. You're going to lose some range, but they will last longer than any of the NF0 tires. They're available in OEM sizes for the 20" wheels.

 

[Porsche-Guru]

Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires are what you're looking for. You're going to lose some range, but they will last longer than any of the NF0 tires. They're available in OEM sizes for the 20" wheels.

Michelin Cross Climate 2 not available in UK in the rear tyre size (285/40/20).
The front (245/45/20) are available.

 

[Ross]

I haven’t taken the plunge with the Taycan yet as I am still thinking about getting a Turismo. Interestingly I have just bought Good Year 4 seasons for my Audi Etron. Fitting next week.

 

[Browning]

Thank you.
Trouble is that where I live it’s not winter like you know it. 12 degrees here today. In wet or dry at that temperature summer tyres would be better today.
Winter tyres are specifically ‘7 degrees and under’ tyres and much better in snow. It’s not that cold often here and rarely below freezing.

Summer tyres are USELESS in snow.
England grinds to a halt in snow as 99% on summer tyres but that’s only 1-2 days a year.

I would like a bit of snow ability for the odd day and holidays in winter to Europe. All seasons are LOADS better in snow than summers and much better than winters in wet and dry.

I agree that All Seasons could be seen as neither one thing nor the other but the Michelin Cross Climate 2 outperforms cheap winter tyres and even some premium winter tyres in snow and is miles better in wet and dry than even the best winter tyre.

I plan on using All Seasons for winter, not all year round.
Just more suited to ‘winter’ in UK
ie. Cold and wet and miserable.
Just NOT freezing.

Weight of the car is not a consideration as tyres would always be correct load rating and XL rated.

Thanks again for your input.

Maybe consider buying a set of wheels put winter tyres on them then change over to originals in spring also one positive to think about is the winter ones will give you probably 4/5 times the mileage than your original tyres

 

[BigBob]

Hmm. I'm coming around to the idea of doing the tyre swap thing. But unless you've a garage (which most of us cockneys don't have) the storage etc is a total nightmare. I can only find kwik fit who offer tyre hotel for £100 per 6 months, and their tyre prices are £100 more per tyre than online.

So it's all a bit like pulling teeth.

 

[Crazymind]

I use 4 season tyres in my van. However on the Taycan I decided to get a new set of rims with Goodyear winter tyres. 4 season under the Taycan I feel it’s a waste. Can’t get the best off the car with 4 season tyres, either in the summer nor in the winter.

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