Porsche Is Reliable

[M3Taycan]

Mechanic Gets Asked If Porsche Is Reliable. He Doesn’t Hold Back

https://www.motor1.com/news/770045/are-porsches-reliable/

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[Alemany]

Mechanic Gets Asked If Porsche Is Reliable. He Doesn’t Hold Back

https://www.motor1.com/news/770045/are-porsches-reliable/

Porsche is reliable, Taycan is not.

 

[Flying ace]

click bait article. The issue is you cannot discuss "reliability" in general terms, unless the entire lineup is poor. If you have access to JD Power data, you'll notice nuances in reliability data:

• Reliability is measure for "initial quality" i.e. cars up to 3 years old. This measures quality of current generation cars
• data is also broken down by manufacturer and models. There's very unique quality differences even across models by the same manufacturers.
• the survey data changes every year, i.e. if you're reading an article from 3 years ago, it's not indicative of quality of a new car today. Manufacturers go through periods of high and low quality on each model.

An example, I've see a JD Power survey data showing that the BMW M3 is at the highest quality level on par with the entire (average) Lexus line. BMW altogether rates less than Lexus, but its halo car is literally the highest quality car in the market (this was 4 years ago).

So for this article, the context was "generally" are Porsches reliable, and his measure of reliability is a car that can go 150k to 200k miles, i.e. we're talking about cars made in 2012-2016, or long term reliability. 150k-200k is on the extreme side of durability, and owner's maintenance is likely the key determinant of durability after 100k. Most cars are scrapped at around 100k bc the cost to keep it on the road is higher than the value of the car. So in other words, the owner of these 150k+ cars will need to have methodical and special maintenance processes to go above 100k, i.e. using synthetic oil on a motor that doesn't initially require synthetic, or changing struts, joints etc at the 75k etc, or looking into every creak or leak to ensure small problems don't compound to a catastrophic failure.

 

[M3Taycan]

An example, I've see a JD Power survey data showing that the BMW M3 is at the highest quality level on par with the entire (average) Lexus line. BMW altogether rates less than Lexus, but its halo car is literally the highest quality car in the market (this was 4 years ago).

I owned a 2018 BMW M3 (high resale value, if not modified) for about six years before trading it for a 2023 Taycan 4S (CPO). I can confirm that it was dependable, with no recalls or breakdowns in 65K miles. Every feature in the car functioned flawlessly. It took me a few months to realize I did not make a mistake in choosing the Taycan 4S. The ICE to EV transition is complete, not going back.

I have not encountered any breakdowns in the Taycan 4S, aside from the recalls that were executed on the same day. With ~15,000 miles on the odometer, the Taycan 4S has proven dependable for my long-distance trips along the East Coast. I hope it remains as reliable as the BMW M3.

 

[mander2129]

5 Porsches over the past couple decades, they all have been unreliable. Warranty providers must do a few Hail Marys before selling a policy. Well, my old ‘98 Boxster was actually pretty good, but that was a car I liked working on. The Taycan, heck I can’t risk taking the bumper off to clean the radiator because all the sensors will go wonky.

The problem is that comparing Porsche to Lexus/toyota/honda is wrong. It needs to be compared with unreliable cars like Range Rover / Ferrari… Anecdote, a buddy of mine worked for Ferrari and they paid him crap for the honor of working there, but they design for 1 max performance and then need a complete rebuild. Against that - Porsche does alright.

Porsche is kinda like my old Jeep Wrangler. Constantly falling apart, but fun for what it does. At least the Jeep was easy to repair… I’ll still suck it up and buy Porsches and still want a 3/4RS at some point., but there is zero delusion here about them being reliable.

 

[tophamn]

Mechanic Gets Asked If Porsche Is Reliable. He Doesn’t Hold Back

You can't ask a mechanic that question and expect a valid answer: it's their job to deal with the bad ones - which is all they see.

 

[B61]

Well, maybe i just had bad luck, but by now, i haven’t had any car with so many failures, with so many recalls and lost days because of maintenance
Even my 13 years old Zastava 101, back in 80ies, never needed towing service

I coudnt recall that i would be without car any single day at all.

 

[Dee]

My Taycan has never let me down in five and a half years/46000 km.
I assume that is called reliable, right?

 

[B61]

Good for you, wish you to stay that way.
I got last red error a month before 4 years, 65k km on board. A year ago, charging unit(s) failed…twice.
Have you charged on DC (over 200kw) a lot? I haven’t had any charging peoblems first 3 years, when i wwas charging only AC…22kw at work, 11 at home.

 

[Alemany]

Well, maybe i just had bad luck, but by now, i haven’t had any car with so many failures, with so many recalls and lost days because of maintenance
Even my 13 years old Zastava 101, back in 80ies, never needed towing service

I coudnt recall that i would be without car any single day at all.

My new 25 Taycan Turbo GT which Ive had 8 months or so, has been in the shop (Is there again) over 8 weeks. We are still beta testing a new platform.

 

[chun]

My new 25 Taycan Turbo GT which Ive had 8 months or so, has been in the shop (Is there again) over 8 weeks. We are still beta testing a new platform.

Soon to be 6 years old; "new" platform.

The reality is that, looking back at it, it is a bad platform. Poor ingress angles, dated technology using way too many under-performing ECUs from 3rd party providers unwilling to keep them updated, horrible software, inefficient motors, poor interior space despite massive outside dimensions, and it goes on and on and on.

Lucid managed to do a ground up EV platform that outperforms taycan in many cases. Xiaomi did the same, in basically 1-2 years of development; and many others do - and they have a lot less issues, despite shorter development time of a truly ground up ev platform, and in some cases 0 previous experience manufacturing cars.

Porsche is penny pinching in everything they do, only to then over-charge their costumers. And it shows. The quality is not there, the luxury is not there, the technology is not there, and the price is overblown.

"Porsche is reliable" equates to owners servicing their cars to keep them on the road, even if it may not make financial sense, so in that sense, they are reliable, at the owners expense, sure... But true reliability means not having to service the car every few months.

No wonder taycan 2 won't make use of this platform anymore, and will move to panamera's platform - so another not ground up ev platform. Poor decisions keep being done, and porsche will suffer for it, and so will future customers.

 

[Sly_North]

[...]
Have you charged on DC (over 200kw) a lot? I haven’t had any charging peoblems first 3 years, when i wwas charging only AC…22kw at work, 11 at home.

Another data point: I charge my 2022 exclusively in DC, and I had zero failure, only two recalls (front brake lines, ARB6).
I have lots of reliable DC charger options around, and I skipped having a home charger (partly for I calculated it would be profitable only after 70k km, thanks to my home owner association).

I was actually wondered if the AC converter made the AC charging (especially with the 22kW option) more risky than DC.

 

[Brombaer1971]

And I wonder why I as a Customer should have to think about that.

 

[MrB]

Sadly for me, it’s been a pretty eventful journey with my Taycan and it’s had more warranty jobs than, I think, pretty much all my previous cars put together. So much so that it’s meant when the lease is up next month, it goes back and I’m switching allegiances to a different manufacturer. Just don’t have the time, nor the patience, for another Porsche right now no matter how it’s propelled. If it weren’t for my local OPC I’d have thrown the keys back to the lease company a long time ago. Here’s hoping the next car is boringly reliable!

 

[B61]

Same here… more days without taycan than with all my previous car alltogether 45 years
I must be completelly unreasonable since i bought another taycan two weeks ago

btw, did you put a vote in my poll?
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...20-2021-20222-do-you-still-have-taycan.29092/

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