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This ☝. Also make sure it is not coiled on the ground. If you must coil/wind the cord while on the ground during charging, use a figure 8 pattern. This will greatly reduce the resistance and lead to lower temperatures and safer charging.
interesting. I don’t understand how the figure 8 could make a difference. Can you explain?
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One other thing I forgot to mention: make sure the cable is completely unwound from the charging unit, no cable should be wrapped around the charging unit, meaning that if your car is 10 feet from the charging unit let the entire 25 ft cable rest on the ground. My personal hang-up is not that particular cable being warm - it’s the 14-30 plug in the receptacle that gets hot, not warm.
Same for me - in my case it's the cable from the charger into the 14-50 receptacle that gets too warm to the touch after a while.
 

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interesting. I don’t understand how the figure 8 could make a difference. Can you explain?
In a coil the heat dissipation is greatly reduced. The resistance increases with elevated temperature. An issue may arise due to the ineffectiveness of convection when air can't reach the inner loops of the cable. The figure 8 assists in heat dissipation. Not perfect, just better.

Not an engineer, just used stingers/extension cabling a fair bit.
 
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I think I see what you’re saying. If you made a figure 8 as you laid the cable down, the middle portion would have more air between the loops. But if you laid it out in a loop and then flipped one side over to make the figure 8, then there would be no benefit.
 

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Hope this helps, all cables will generate heat, you just never noticed it before as the power draw isn’t to high. But with the higher amperage cables like the ones used to charge your car there is a lot of heat can be generated. Imagine if you cooked the cable and tie wrapped it. That middle cable would heat up and could cause a fire. Therefore it is recommended not to coil cable and to roll out all of the cable.
 


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I currently have the 14-30 plug/cable (have 14-50 on order) 40A breaker
40 amp break = 32 amp charge rate just FYI…not the full 40 amps due to continuous load rating of breaker/wire.
 

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40 amp break = 32 amp charge rate just FYI…not the full 40 amps due to continuous load rating of breaker/wire.
Yep. I sized my circuit for 60amp load hoping to increase as tech increases. Our Tesla pulls more amperage so figured might as well pull the same wire for the Porsche.
 

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40 amp break = 32 amp charge rate just FYI…not the full 40 amps due to continuous load rating of breaker/wire.
Charger is displaying/sending only 24A to the car. Thought I'd be getting the 32A, as you say, but only getting 80% of the 30 plug, I guess.
 


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Charger is displaying/sending only 24A to the car. Thought I'd be getting the 32A, as you say, but only getting 80% of the 30 plug, I guess.
Continuous load devices need a circuit rated for 20% higher. Hence the 50amp circuit for a 40amp load. 40amp circuit for a 32 amp load.
 

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Continuous load devices need a circuit rated for 20% higher. Hence the 50amp circuit for a 40amp load. 40amp circuit for a 32 amp load.
Ok, so now I'm confused. I currently have a 40 amp breaker and a 14-30 plug. The Porsche charger display says "24 A". As soon as I receive the ordered 14-50 plug/cable the electrician will be replace the 40 amp breaker with a 50 amp breaker. The wire is the right gauge because I thought the car came with the 14-50 plug (dealer screwed up) and that's what the electrician installed a few days before taking delivery.

The 50 amp breaker is the right breaker for the 14-50 plug/wire, correct? Which will charge at 40A?

I thought I'd be getting 32A having the 40 amp breaker. Not sure why it's only charging at 24A at the moment. I'm assuming it has something to do with the 14-30 plug...or I just don't get this amperage stuff at all!!
 

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Ok, so now I'm confused. I currently have a 40 amp breaker and a 14-30 plug. The Porsche charger display says "24 A". As soon as I receive the ordered 14-50 plug/cable the electrician will be replace the 40 amp breaker with a 50 amp breaker. The wire is the right gauge because I thought the car came with the 14-50 plug (dealer screwed up) and that's what the electrician installed a few days before taking delivery.

The 50 amp breaker is the right breaker for the 14-50 plug/wire, correct? Which will charge at 40A?

I thought I'd be getting 32A having the 40 amp breaker. Not sure why it's only charging at 24A at the moment. I'm assuming it has something to do with the 14-30 plug...or I just don't get this amperage stuff at all!!
A 14-30 plug is rated for 30 amps and the wire should also be at least 30 amps and the breaker should be no more than 30 amps as it is supposed to protect the receptacle and the wire. I guess the charger knows that it is being ran on a 14-30 and thus only pulls 24 amps. When you get the 14-50 receptacle and charger cord it should be pulling 40 amps.
 

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A 14-30 plug is rated for 30 amps and the wire should also be at least 30 amps and the breaker should be no more than 30 amps as it is supposed to protect the receptacle and the wire. I guess the charger knows that it is being ran on a 14-30 and thus only pulls 24 amps. When you get the 14-50 receptacle and charger cord it should be pulling 40 amps.
You can run a bigger breaker if the wire is rated higher. You cannot run a bigger breaker on smaller wire. The breaker doesn’t have to match the outlet. For example, I ran a 60 amp circuit with 60 amp breaker but have a 14-50 outlet.
 

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A 14-30 plug is rated for 30 amps and the wire should also be at least 30 amps and the breaker should be no more than 30 amps as it is supposed to protect the receptacle and the wire. I guess the charger knows that it is being ran on a 14-30 and thus only pulls 24 amps. When you get the 14-50 receptacle and charger cord it should be pulling 40 amps.
So are you saying the 40 amp breaker is too much (hot) for the receptacle that the 14-30 is plugged into? should be a 30 amp breaker instead?
Is there an electrician “in the house”? :oops:
 

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So are you saying the 40 amp breaker is too much (hot) for the receptacle that the 14-30 is plugged into? should be a 30 amp breaker instead?
Is there an electrician “in the house”? :oops:
I think it's much more important that the wire be rated at or over the breaker. but an electrician told me that the breaker was intended to protect both the wire and the receptacles. So for my shop where I wanted a 20 amp circuit we had to find 20 amp rated receptacles.
 

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I think it's much more important that the wire be rated at or over the breaker. but an electrician told me that the breaker was intended to protect both the wire and the receptacles. So for my shop where I wanted a 20 amp circuit we had to find 20 amp rated receptacles.
Correct! US code requires the breaker to be no larger than the lowest-rated part of the circuit, including the receptacle (socket).
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