starting to get pretty fucked off about software.

[chun]

Up to date means running latest version of software supported on particular hardware.

So by your definition, J1.1 is not running up to date
As the latest software supported on j1.1 PCM hardware is 4360, as per PIWIS.
Other people with access to PIWIS beside me have also confirmed so, by the way, like prj or ct14.

By the way, version 4360 was released for j1.1 10 or so months ago.

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[ferdiaz]

It's sad seeing you guys getting so worked up by a corporation that doesn't give two damns about any of you.

 

[FlyingPoint]

It's sad seeing you guys getting so worked up by a corporation that doesn't give two damns about any of you.

As I read through this thread, I struggled with how to convey my thinking. Suffice to say, you have summed it up perfectly ^^.

 

[whitex]

The update being discussed is about PCM, not the app store
The PCM of j1.2 is EXACT same hardware as j1.1

All your pedantic arguments tied to one pedantic example, to disregard concerns over lack of updates in general.

The PCM issue being discussed, from OP's post #1 of this thread:

it is 100% upselling fuckery to expect me to buy a new car to play a fucking youtube video on the passenger screen

Passenger display is part of the PCM hardware. It is different in J1.2 than J1.1. Yea, I know, you will call it a pedantic difference. Go ahead, use your PIWIS to flash the newer PCM software, then when it refuses to recognize the display, you can be confused what magic the software is using to be able to tell it's running on a J1.2 screen, even though (according to you) it's identical to J1.1.

 

[Murph7355]

There's literally a screen shot from the Porsche app upthread..... ?

Which doesn't say what people think it does....

 

[whitex]

I bought a taycan that claimed OTA software updates As advertised.

It gets OTA updates, as of earlier this year even more substantial an just apps. As advertised. Nowhere was it advertised that all new features of future models will be OTA'ed into older cars.

Maybe focus on reading before answering in walls of text. No, phones are not demanded to offer just security updates by regulations, currently by regulations 3 years of software (OS) updates for phones, tablets and other common software centric devices is mandated in europe

So you are telling me that all owners of 3 year old apple products which don't support latest iOS AI features (due to lack of hardware features) get free latest devices? I call BS on that.

If you have nothing to say beside: "OTA is an illusion", don't post bro. Nobody is asking you to. The app, the support page, the porsche call center, the advertisment pamflet from 2019, the power point from 2019, all of these say that OTA is a thing. But the updates never come, despite OTA being a thing and the updates being avaliable

I never claimed "OTA is an illusion". Not sure what you read that lead you think this way.

OTA came really late and definitely lower scope than originally planned. However, Porsche is keeping their cars up-to-date via dealer recalls (and lately first non-app OTA for the battery recalls).

The big disconnect between us is that you think "up-to-date" means all latest features supported, when in software, up-to-date means latest software supported on particular hardware. Another disconnect is what an Operating System is, you seem to be conflating the concepts of OS and applications. So like I said, up to date Windows 10 does not mean Windows 11. Also, updating the Operating system Windows 10 to Windows 11 will not automatically get you the latest version of Adobe Suite, or AutoCad, or even Microsoft Office. OS gets updates, the applications stay the same. I think once you finally decide to sell your Porsche and get something else, like a Tesla or NiO or BYD, at first you will feel relieved , then as your car aged you will be on other car forums complaining how your heated seats lost their ability to have the back separately controlled from the bottom cushion, because the latest software removed that option as newest hardware does not have that capability (actual real example from Tesla by the way, though the first update completely removed the ability to even turn on half of the heated seat, then a newer update fixed it, but no longer allowed different settings to back vs. bottom - bunch of annoyed owners who had paid extra for those seats and were no longer able to use the extra functionality - no rollbacks of software supported by Tesla).

 

[RowdyReverb]

MKBHD said it best


I think it’s fair to complain when companies don’t support their products, but never let a dealer lure you into buying in based on a future promise.

 

[JackSparrow]

You are correct, the PCM can be updated, and it works without issue on J1.1.
The update process appears to be flawed, and may brick your PCM, potentially requiring replacement.
This thread has info about it:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...ery-diagnosis-for-the-community.27701/page-28

 

[chun]

The big disconnect between us is that you think "up-to-date" means all latest features supported, when in software, up-to-date means latest software supported on particular hardware. Another disconnect is what an Operating System is, you seem to be conflating the concepts of OS and applications.

The latest OS version, no application, no feature, but an OS; for taycan j1.1, is 4360, according to Porsche’s own tools.

So, can you send me a screenshot of your taycan being up to date, and having 4360 OS version?

Is this clear enough for you or do you need to write another wall of text about how I don’t understand what an OS is?

If you can’t, please stop spamming ?

 

[Alemany]

I am on my second Taycan (Turbo S '21 and now Turbo GT '25), previously had two Teslas (P85 and later P100D). I like electric acceleration. I also have several ICE cars (Porsche, McLaren, etc), so I am not an EV fanatic - for transparency.

Teslas were amazing in software but terrible as cars. Porches are amazing as cars but terrible in software. This is a fact that we can rationalize all we want, but facts don't change. I had my first Taycan 3 years and was at the shop over 20 times. I even developed a month-long diary that showed the software glitches added 30 mins to my daily commute every day.

But I like the car, and the software has improved dramatically (tho delivery of the new GT was terrible due to software glitches). Still there are issues, but Porsche is learning. Reality is we have all been beta testers of this new technology for them.

What irritates me the most is Porsche remains aloof and doesn't own what has happened, and the dealers behave the same way, so I assume is corporate strategy.

in 5-10 years, Taycan and similar will be awesome in software, we just have to pay the brunt of their testing with us in the meantime...

My 2 cents.

 

[bluehat24]

I believe Porsche started with good intentions—regular updates, improvements, and added features—but eventually realized they lack the necessary team, expertise, and software architecture to execute properly. As a result, they’ve been limiting what gets released, if anything at all.

For example, I recently received a battery monitoring update. After the deployment, the spoiler remained fully raised, and the option to retract it was disabled. It took several hours and multiple attempts before the menu finally reappeared. Even then, I had to press the button twice, likely due to software confusion.

If this is the quality of software updates they’re capable of delivering, they might as well not push anything. I’m just glad they haven’t bricked the car—unlike what happened to another forum member.

 

[Alemany]

By the way, this website (the Forum) is having major glitches two days in a row ?? too funny!

 

[whitex]

By the way, this website (the Forum) is having major glitches two days in a row ?? too funny!

Acquired by Porsche perhaps?

 

[TayCar]

I get that Porsche’s big dilemma was whether adding YouTube to their cars made sense. After all, it’s a sports car, not a living-room entertainment system. Someone here mentioned that, and I totally agree. But once you put a passenger screen in the car, there’s really no debate anymore. If the industry is winning customers with that feature, you either do it or risk falling behind.

So fine—you took the step and decided to implement it. But then why not roll it out across as many models as possible? What’s stopping you? Why deliberately leave the J1.1 out? You could even restrict it to when the car is stationary if regulations require it. Is it really a legal obligation? And is it worldwide? I’d love to know how Porsche defends that decision in different markets.

The J1.1 has already been hit with heavy depreciation and a long list of bad owner experiences, plus lots of unfinished work. Porsche could’ve stuck with the old-school heritage vibe, but instead they moved into EVs and advanced tech. That’s a different game entirely—where software defines the car as much as the motor. And you can’t afford to neglect it. Thinking like it’s still 1920 won’t cut it. Porsche has to pioneer excellence, deliver the best customer experience in the market, and live up to the brand it wants to represent.

And this isn’t about YouTube—it’s about software in general. Navigation, voice assistants, updates, maps. I’m not asking for silly gimmicks—I just don’t want to deal with recalls, dealer-only updates, bugs, or features that mysteriously appear in some models but not others. If Porsche saw this as a monetization opportunity, it would be rolled out instantly. But that’s the problem. A car shouldn’t be treated like SaaS. Nobody wants “Car as a Service.” They’re already milking enough through subscriptions. At this point it borders on ridiculous.

Building cars is easier than it was in the 1960s, but expectations today are higher. Why isn’t Porsche in the top 3 most reliable brands? How can Toyota’s software be more solid than Porsche’s? Sure, Toyotas last forever—but telling people “then buy a Toyota” is a lazy excuse. Every single thing you put in a car shapes the experience, and it all has to work in harmony with the Porsche name on the badge.

For me, this isn’t about YouTube—it’s about trust. I want a car I can rely on. No recalls, no buggy software, no gimmicks. Security updates are enough. What matters is getting the car right from the start, and if new features arrive, let customers choose—or at least be honest about why they can’t have them. We’re not talking about a €1,500 phone here—we’re talking about a €100K–€300K car that risks becoming obsolete just because of a commercial decision.

Kaizen, use the most of what you have and do it well.

 

[B61]

+1

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