Taycan production slowdown

[snstevens]

Ofc sales of brand NEW EVs have slumped. Ofc Taycan sales have slumped. Ofc legacy brands sell like shit in china

Most people aren't blind, they buy used at 30-50% the price of new. 50-100km of extra range is not enaugh to make people to buy at 3x the price a refreshed version.

Most people are losing their jobs and have no job security in 2024. People aren't going to buy 250.000 cars. People want cheap EVs (and the macan is not cheap EV).

If you go on youtube, most people praise chinese cars to hell and back. Take the xiamoi car for example, this is the feedback from customers: taycan performace at 1/20 of the price, taycan luxry at 1/20 of the price, infotaiment system with chatgpt in it that can control everything in the car, house, phone or any gadget, better range, better batteries.

These legacy brands need to appeal to the general buyer in china, not the 90year olds retired milionares that bought their first house at 21 after 3 months of "hard work"; if they want to sell EVs

Sorry, but I’m having a really hard time digesting this post.

“Most people are losing their jobs and have no job security in 2024.” — What?? Where is this depression-era economic failure happening?

”Ofc Taycan sales have slumped.” — As posted above, Taycan sales are up 17%.

“These legacy brands need to appeal to the general buyer in china, not the 90year olds retired milionares [sic] that bought their first house at 21 after 3 months of "hard work"; if they want to sell EVs”. — Well, honestly, when in the past 75 years has Porsche ever wanted to sell their cars to a broad market? Also, the idea that we’re all “90year old retired milionares [sic]” is laughable.

“infotainment system with ChatGPT in it that can control everything in the car, house, phone or any gadget”. — You are also right that today’s cars are essentially computers on wheels. For that reason alone, I would not own a Chinese car simply because I could not trust the privacy and security of my digital world. The last thing I want is a Chinese government funded company controlling the electronics of my car. Others may see it differently of course.

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[Uknown]

Sorry, but I’m having a really hard time digesting this post.

“Most people are losing their jobs and have no job security in 2024.” — What?? Where is this depression-era economic failure happening?

”Ofc Taycan sales have slumped.” — As posted above, Taycan sales are up 17%.

“These legacy brands need to appeal to the general buyer in china, not the 90year olds retired milionares [sic] that bought their first house at 21 after 3 months of "hard work"; if they want to sell EVs”. — Well, honestly, when in the past 75 years has Porsche ever wanted to sell their cars to a broad market? Also, the idea that we’re all “90year old retired milionares [sic]” is laughable.

“infotainment system with ChatGPT in it that can control everything in the car, house, phone or any gadget”. — You are also right that today’s cars are essentially computers on wheels. For that reason alone, I would not own a Chinese car simply because I could not trust the privacy and security of my digital world. The last thing I want is a Chinese government funded company controlling the electronics of my car. Others may see it differently of course.

I don’t like having any company or government have control of my digital world, and home electronics etc.

I also worry about cars that are sold solely because of the software. Especially closed source, It isn’t just security it is how integrated everything is, and over time that software isn’t maintained (faster than we would like or expect), or the integrated hardware can’t keep up, That doesn’t mean Porsche and others shouldn’t innovate more, having a market that does move fast should help drive the legacy manufacturers to move a bit quicker. I know plenty of people that are all in on the interconnected/software defined world and that is cool, I don’t think it is the only market out there.


As it is now … I wish Porsche had been less innovative on the front end of the refresh! Or if they must wish they had made it more swooping/rounded headlights etc.

 

[Gino]

Is anybody surprised!

And blaming a slow down of EV sales? Most issues are internal to Porsche.

https://electrek.co/2024/07/05/porsche-slow-taycan-output-can-macan-ev-boost-sales/

Unfortunately I think Porsche needs to clean up their act on EV’s in general. The Taycan has had more recalls than any premium brand EV. Don’t get me wrong. I love my Taycan but I bought it as a 3rd vehicle for around town, an occasional trip to Las Vegas & a few joy rides occasionally along the California coast. I didn’t buy it expecting reliability but I would think twice buying any Porsche EV if I needed it to be always available & last for decades like their traditional ICE products which are bulletproof.
I won’t buy another Porsche EV until they figure out all these battery & quality issues they’re plagued with. Seems like there are recalls every week but so far I’ve only had my Taycan at the dealer for service/warranty/recalls about 10% of the time I’ve owned it.
High downtime for any vehicle I’ve ever owned… but it is one of the most beautiful sports sedans on earth & drives like a dream but I hope she lasts longer than a fashion supermodel lasts. Once her looks get old, becomes too high maintenance, then everyone forgets her.
I’m hoping she doesn’t blow up in my garage, get into a fiery crash due to brake failure or cost me a fortune after my warranty expires. Is that too much to ask?
I never worried about these things with my previous Porsche’s with their legendary performance & engineering. I took a flyer with Taycan that Porsche will figure out their EV quality issues eventually but they’re on a short leash with me… No more Porsche EVs until they get their act together. The next Porsche in my garage will have an engine. That’s part of the reason Taycan sales are slowing. There’s a lot of people in the “wait & see” buyer queue…

 

[achaudh]

Ofc sales of brand NEW EVs have slumped. Ofc Taycan sales have slumped. Ofc legacy brands sell like shit in china

Most people aren't blind, they buy used at 30-50% the price of new. 50-100km of extra range is not enaugh to make people to buy at 3x the price a refreshed version.

Most people are losing their jobs and have no job security in 2024. People aren't going to buy 250.000 cars. People want cheap EVs (and the macan is not cheap EV).

If you go on youtube, most people praise chinese cars to hell and back. Take the xiamoi car for example, this is the feedback from customers: taycan performace at 1/20 of the price, taycan luxry at 1/20 of the price, infotaiment system with chatgpt in it that can control everything in the car, house, phone or any gadget, better range, better batteries.

These legacy brands need to appeal to the general buyer in china, not the 90year olds retired milionares that bought their first house at 21 after 3 months of "hard work"; if they want to sell EVs

I assume you are either talking about China or Switzerland when you say, "Most people are losing their jobs and have no job security in 2024." because here in good ol' US of A, economy is doing really well, unemployment is lowest in decades, most people got good raises and stock market continues to set new highs every week. Agreed, interest rates are high but nothing doom and gloom like you mentioned.

Will also add that Porsche always had and still has a niche market. I will not compare it, at least not yet with Chinese car manufacturers as they appeal to different segments. Chinese cars do provide value that Porsche was never known for but then people buy Porsche not for value or tech but for driving experience. Just wanted to add my .02 cents.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Hmm, how about:
"Taycan Production Tweaked to Continue Maximizing Profit Margins for Porsche and Its Dealers"
Nah, that would be far too boring a headline.

 

[achaudh]

I know I am off topic here but wanted to mention that I saw the MY25 Taycan in flesh at my local Porsche dealership the other day when I took my Cayenne for service. Opinions are divided about the front look of MY25 with the teardrop look gone something I dig as well but I found MY25 front look much cleaner. The side profile probably looks better than the current versions.

A slow-down in Taycan production may be a good thing as it may help MY25 models sell well and hold prices better for all owners. I have been extensively looking at MY23/24 versions but now feel that I should just wait few more months and buy a used MY25 which will have some of the known issues addressed and goes farther as well. There is no better looking car in the market than Taycan irrespective of the model year.

 

[violuma]

If you go on youtube, most people praise chinese cars to hell and back.

One of the best things about the internet is that it lowers bars to entry for publishers. Anybody can broadcast to a worldwide audience.

This is incidentally also one of the worst things about the internet.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't consider the opinions of people who put videos on the internet very heavily into my life decisions.

 

[chun]

One of the best things about the internet is that it lowers bars to entry for publishers. Anybody can broadcast to a worldwide audience.

This is incidentally also one of the worst things about the internet.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't consider the opinions of people who put videos on the internet very heavily into my life decisions.

What is this even supposed to mean? Do you own a company by the name Fisker?
Yes, reviews mean a lot, especially from big personalities Other car brands learned it. Your feelings on this don't really matter; MOST people look at reviews for the products they buy.

What your saying is that you take impulsive decisions, i guess... good for you. Other people do research, especially before spending 250.000 on a car.

I assume you are either talking about China or Switzerland when you say, "Most people are losing their jobs and have no job security in 2024." because here in good ol' US of A, economy is doing really well, unemployment is lowest in decades, most people got good raises and stock market continues to set new highs every week. Agreed, interest rates are high but nothing doom and gloom like you mentioned.

Will also add that Porsche always had and still has a niche market. I will not compare it, at least not yet with Chinese car manufacturers as they appeal to different segments. Chinese cars do provide value that Porsche was never known for but then people buy Porsche not for value or tech but for driving experience. Just wanted to add my .02 cents.

Sorry, but I’m having a really hard time digesting this post.

“Most people are losing their jobs and have no job security in 2024.” — What?? Where is this depression-era economic failure happening?

https://www.fastcompany.com/91140449/here-2024s-growing-list-u-s-layoffs-by-sector

World wide, many people that would be in the target demographic for an EV with the price of a Taycan lost their jobs. It's facts. In the IT, gaming, pharma, automakers, electronics industries, this year has been marked by big layoffs.

And we come back again to this 1 fact: for how long will Porsche have the best driving experience?
How many on these forum have taken their car to the track? How many drive it through alp roads? The answer is very few, and here are the passionate owners. Most use it to drive 20km for a coffee and to bring their kids to school. Driving dynamics doesn't matter to them. Porsche will lose those customers.

And again, most people on this forum going: "who even cares about Chinese cars, nobody is worried about them". Meanwhile VW, Porsche, Ford, Tesla, BMW and most traditional car makers are sh*tless scared of the Chinese car market

Simple fact is, while the auto industry is suffering in the west, in china it's growing. And it's growing very fast, and lot, spear headed by EVs, chinese EVs... not Macan EV.

 

[Scandinavian]

Hmm, how about:
"Taycan Production Tweaked to Continue Maximizing Profit Margins for Porsche and Its Dealers"
Nah, that would be far too boring a headline.

Wo

One of the best things about the internet is that it lowers bars to entry for publishers. Anybody can broadcast to a worldwide audience.

This is incidentally also one of the worst things about the internet.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't consider the opinions of people who put videos on the internet very heavily into my life decisions.

I think there are quite a few very good reviewers on the internet. Drivers that can drive the car on track perhaps but also drivers that give a lot of facts about the performance of the car in use.

I can also agree with you that there are very many Self proclaimed experts that talk a good game, but all personal views.

As a few examples I value views in videos by the Top Gear team, Chris Harris on tests, Tesla Björn and some tests by Mat Watson, Carwow.

I look at some of their videos to see some facts. Especially interesting are the tests that Tesla Björn perform since they are around the same theme and with a lot of data in his spreadsheets. For my use case especially his 1000 km challenge brings a lot of good data how the car works on a long road trip.

 

[violuma]

What is this even supposed to mean?

Since you asked, it means that I think your message is unlikely to resonate with the audience you posted it to.

Your feelings on this don't really matter; MOST people look at reviews for the products they buy.

We are conversing on a forum dedicated to a vehicle that is not marketed at MOST people.

What you're saying is that you take impulsive decisions

No, what I'm saying is that I seek out and incorporate information from other sources, as opposed to adopting other people's subjective opinions about things. I do this because I like to make decisions based on my value system, which is different from yours or other randos on the internet.

for how long will Porsche have the best driving experience?

A while, because:

Most use it to drive 20km for a coffee and to bring their kids to school. Driving dynamics doesn't matter to them. Porsche will lose those customers.

Then Porsche will be better-served concentrating on maintaining the driving experience, as there will not be much point in chasing the customers who don't care about it so much.

And again, most people on this forum going: "who even cares about Chinese cars, nobody is worried about them". Meanwhile VW, Porsche, Ford, Tesla, BMW and most traditional car makers are shirtless scared of the Chinese car market

As long as Porsche remains capable of servicing my vehicle, I don't particularly care about anything else. I don't work for a car company, and I only drive one car.

 

[achaudh]

What is this even supposed to mean? Do you own a company by the name Fisker?
Yes, reviews mean a lot, especially from big personalities Other car brands learned it. Your feelings on this don't really matter; MOST people look at reviews for the products they buy.

What your saying is that you take impulsive decisions, i guess... good for you. Other people do research, especially before spending 250.000 on a car.





https://www.fastcompany.com/91140449/here-2024s-growing-list-u-s-layoffs-by-sector

World wide, many people that would be in the target demographic for an EV with the price of a Taycan lost their jobs. It's facts. In the IT, gaming, pharma, automakers, electronics industries, this year has been marked by big layoffs.

And we come back again to this 1 fact: for how long will Porsche have the best driving experience?
How many on these forum have taken their car to the track? How many drive it through alp roads? The answer is very few, and here are the passionate owners. Most use it to drive 20km for a coffee and to bring their kids to school. Driving dynamics doesn't matter to them. Porsche will lose those customers.

And again, most people on this forum going: "who even cares about Chinese cars, nobody is worried about them". Meanwhile VW, Porsche, Ford, Tesla, BMW and most traditional car makers are sh*tless scared of the Chinese car market

Simple fact is, while the auto industry is suffering in the west, in china it's growing. And it's growing very fast, and lot, spear headed by EVs, chinese EVs... not Macan EV.

Porsche is #1 in brand loyalty among luxury brands. They have the most repeat buyers so driving experience is not a one-time thing that wears of.

 

[chun]

Porsche is #1 in brand loyalty among luxury brands. They have the most repeat buyers so driving experience is not a one-time thing that wears of.

Not sure if that applies to taycan tho`. It's probably the car with most recalls. I personally have seen plenty people on this forum swearing to not buy porsche ev again.
And just in case people bring up tesla... tesla's recalls are Over The Air Updates... taycan's recalls are 3weeks - 6 months in the service shop recalls

 

[Vercingetorix]

I think the Peoples Liberation Army is here to liberate us from Porsche tyranny.

 

[violuma]

I personally have seen plenty people on this forum swearing to not buy porsche ev again.

I think it's important to keep selection bias in mind. It's relatively rare for people to bother telling other people about things that they think are OK. Usually if somebody wants to express an opinion about a product, it's going to be because their opinion is pretty strongly held.

To put it in modern terms, virtually nobody bothers to write 3-star reviews.

 

[achaudh]

Not sure if that applies to taycan tho`. It's probably the car with most recalls. I personally have seen plenty people on this forum swearing to not buy porsche ev again.
And just in case people bring up tesla... tesla's recalls are Over The Air Updates... taycan's recalls are 3weeks - 6 months in the service shop recalls

Completely agree and you all have first-hand experience while I am just a reader here planning to buy a Taycan in future but there have been a few polls here and overwhelmingly drivers have responded to buy it again.

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