What replacement EVSE chargers are you using in place of your PCM charger?

[iSTATUS]

I installed it based on the fact it is the highest rated by the well known charging you tube guy. However, still waitimg on the car, so I am just looking at it for now every day.

Nice.....looks good it's a plugin correct...not hardwired? Anybody else have experience with this charger?

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[SergeyIndy]

I installed it based on the fact it is the highest rated by the well known charging you tube guy. However, still waitimg on the car, so I am just looking at it for now

Nice.....looks good it's a plugin correct...not hardwired? Anybody else have experience with this charger?

Hardwired for max speed out. You can see that it is next to the electrical panel with hardwire not visible and inside the wall. My local electric team are magicians, so I went for the clean look with no wall disruption or the plug. Plan to get some art like the Transformers poster I applied to get to cover the panel.

 

[ninjalimmi]

Im using the Autel Maxicharger which is hardwired at 50amps, its seemless and works fine.

 

[daveo4EV]

the main message here in my opinion is virtually any EVSE that you can afford, like and install is a good choice - there are a wide range of options and all work really really really well - I'm actually hard pressed to think of a "bad" EVSE recommendation…and all the alternatives are high quality, functional, compatible and affordable (normally $800 or less)…

the key message here is given how many great alternatives there are - why oh why is the PMC+/PMCC so bad - and that is the core emotional disappointment. The Porsche option is insanely expensive (seriously $3200+ outside of being included with the vehicle if you want a 2nd one) and so bad…it's both super outragous expensive and not a quality offering in a landscape of alternatives that are both affordable, reliable, and a great choice…

to me that is the core stunned level of disappointment - it's both bad and expensive in a product category that is easy and affordable to be excellent.

 

[iSTATUS]

I finally ordered the Emporia level 2 charger. What should I do with the Porsche charger that comes with the car? People said they carry it in the trunk for emergencies? How would you use it in a emergency if you don't have somewhere to plug in the 240v?

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

I finally ordered the Emporia level 2 charger. What should I do with the Porsche charger that comes with the car? People said they carry it in the trunk for emergencies? How would you use it in a emergency if you don't have somewhere to plug in the 240v?

It comes with 120V and 240V plugs (and also a Torx Allen key + screws). I keep all of this in the trunk, as there's always power somewhere - RV campgrounds would have 14-50 receptacles, and most rental places out in the boonies (if that's your thing) would have a waterproofed 120V outlet - good for 10+ miles of charge overnight.

 

[gtm]

I finally ordered the Emporia level 2 charger. What should I do with the Porsche charger that comes with the car? People said they carry it in the trunk for emergencies? How would you use it in a emergency if you don't have somewhere to plug in the 240v?

Put the Porsche EVSE on a shelf and forget it exists. Step one is to buy a Tesla Tap adapter. Lets you use any Tesla Destination Charger when away from home. Step two is to buy the Tesla Mobile Connector ($230 and includes a 14-50 plug. You can now use this cable with the Tesla Tap). Much smaller, lighter and simpler to use than the Porsche unit. Unless you are headed to a vacation house or somewhere remote where you might have to use an RV outlet you are unlikely to ever have a use for a portable charging cable. In 4 years of EV ownership the only use for this gear was to trickle charge until a level 2 EVSE could be installed. Never once when traveling. The Tesla Tap is a different story and I have used it multiple times when traveling with the Taycan.

 

[IanG]

Newbie here - first EV is my incoming (next week) 2022 Taycan GTS - electricians just left - have an option to install a NEMA plug or a hardwire setup - 60A. My Taycan comes with PMC and 25' but is obviously a plug-in - Seems a shame to not use it, but I've done a bunch of reading (thanks @daveo4EV !) - I assume lots of people use them? Maybe I should wire for hardwire AND a plug and just see how the PCM is? We could have a second EV in another year so want to future-proof as much as possible.
Would value your input!
Thanks!
Ian

 

[daveo4EV]

Newbie here - first EV is my incoming (next week) 2022 Taycan GTS - electricians just left - have an option to install a NEMA plug or a hardwire setup - 60A. My Taycan comes with PMC and 25' but is obviously a plug-in - Seems a shame to not use it, but I've done a bunch of reading (thanks @daveo4EV !) - I assume lots of people use them? Maybe I should wire for hardwire AND a plug and just see how the PCM is? We could have a second EV in another year so want to future-proof as much as possible.
Would value your input!
Thanks!
Ian

yes - 60/80/100 amp "feed" to subpanel in the garage - 50 amp NEMA 14-50/6-50 (Hubble as specified by porsche) off the subpanel - run with the PMCC + 25 ft cord - if you want something more/different in the future - subpanel makes it's trivial to change/add/swap/extend…

don't worry about the hardwire for now - that can come later - again trivial off a subpanel in the garage.

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...uide-to-the-porsche-evse-pmc-pmcc-pwcc.13886/

 

[IanG]

yes - 60/80/100 amp "feed" to subpanel in the garage - 50 amp NEMA 14-50/6-50 (Hubble as specified by porsche) off the subpanel - run with the PMCC + 25 ft cord - if you want something more/different in the future - subpanel makes it's trivial to change/add/swap/extend…

don't worry about the hardwire for now - that can come later - again trivial off a subpanel in the garage.

Thanks so much, @daveo4EV - much appreciated. Both electricians said they'd install a breaker in the main panel in the kitchen, run the feed through the attic under the ceiling of the covered walkway into the garage, put a junction box at the entry, and run conduit to the placement of the charger on the wall between the 2 garage doors. 60A

so rather than another subpanel there in the garage (already will be a breaker in the kitchen panel), maybe wire with neutral for hardwire but only install a single NEMA plug for now knowing that we can update/upgrade later without having to rewire? Or maybe you'd suggest a subpanel in the garage anyway in addition to the junction box where the wire enters near the ceiling?

Thanks again!
Ian

 

[daveo4EV]

Thanks so much, @daveo4EV - much appreciated. Both electricians said they'd install a breaker in the main panel in the kitchen, run the feed through the attic under the ceiling of the covered walkway into the garage, put a junction box at the entry, and run conduit to the placement of the charger on the wall between the 2 garage doors. 60A

so rather than another subpanel there in the garage (already will be a breaker in the kitchen panel), maybe wire with neutral for hardwire but only install a single NEMA plug for now knowing that we can update/upgrade later without having to rewire? Or maybe you'd suggest a subpanel in the garage anyway in addition to the junction box where the wire enters near the ceiling?

Thanks again!
Ian

the majority cost of any EVSE install (if you don't have to upgrade the main panel) is the labor to pull NEW wire from point A to point B…when one is installing an EVSE and plans to have a 2nd outlet or a 2nd EVSE in the future - you will repeat this process (A to B and it's distance which is labor) for the 2nd outlet/EVSE…the amount AMPS's is only slightly important in this cost since more amps is more copper which is more expensive, but the labor to pull ANY wire is the dominant factor…so the cost of 60 amps vs. 80 amps may be immaterial vs. the labor to get that wire from point A to point B…

if one installs a subpanel - you pay the "pull new wire A/B cost only once" - and make the 2nd outlet/EVSE install trivial from new subpanel (maybe even a DIY affair for those that are more handy around the house). to change or add anything in the future you just have to pull wire from the subpanel to the new location in the garage - normally much much shorter and less labor since it's all effectively "in the same room".

Existing Main Panel ---> new 60/80 amp breaker ---> new subpanel ---> new 50 amp breaker --> NEMA outlet ---> EVSE

adding another breaker in the future to a subpanel (see above) is less than 20 min labor
and then pulling wire from the subpanel's new breaker in the garage is also normally "easy/trivial"

just my $0.02 - it's unnecessary - but the incremental cost to make your life a bit easier in the future might be worth it…

example; a subpanel rated for 125 amps total load with 8 breaker slots (4 240V slots) is $60.37 - this is not a major incremental cost by the time someone is pulling wire to a new location anyways. and breakers are $50 or less - hell the hubble NEMA 14-50/6-50 socket is $100 ALONE…the wire and the labor to pull it _IS_ the cost - not the amounts of amps _OR_ the breakers ($30 or less each)

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-B...g-Loadcenter-with-Cover-BR816L125RP/100160121

if you pull 60/80/100 amps to the subpanel - you'll have 60/80/100 amps in the future to "split" between two eV's charging at the same time - with out all hte labor to add/upgrade the breaker(s) and again pull wire from the main panel…

but again this is 100% unnecessary, but makes it super easy to swap/test/play with this stuff in the future for either DIY _OR_ much much cheaper electrician visits.

if you can pull a new circuit to a subpanel in the garage - 60 or 80 or 100 (if that size does not cause a main panel upgrade) - get the biggest breaker you can "afford" - and then add what ever you want EVSE & NEMA socket wise from the new subpanel in the garage…go wild cause you now have 60/80/100 amps of capacity to play with and use for however many outlets and EVSE's you want.

 

[IanG]

Thanks again @daveo4EV - that makes perfect sense! I guess I was thinking that once the 2 lines + neutral are there and a plug installed (even though it doesn't need the neutral), I'd be able to maybe get a dual charger later - but perhaps I'm mistaken or misguided

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