(Super)Charging the Taycan

[Amelio]

I should start off by saying if there’s an active thread on this, please link me to it. In the Google searching I’ve been doing I get tayanforum references but not really finding the answers. I’m looking for. Like why Porsche is so quiet on this important subject.

For those in Canada and US: For the last couple of months, it seemed each week someone else had jumped on board with the NACS. I’m not going to list them all but it seems all the big players are adopting Tesla’s charging plug and welcoming them to the vast supercharging network.

I’m not saying I can’t get by with CCS as we don’t do a lot of road trips, and we probably would be fine, but I have found popping into hotels and requiring 3rd party charging accounts and things just seems like a bit of a hassle, so I generally just wait till next day and go to a supercharger. No additional account no problem.

1) Why hasn’t there been a peep from Porsche on adopting this new NACS standard?
2) what are the chances of them retrofitting the old plug to older Taycans? I’m thinking slim to none and I am an optimistic guy.

my wife really wants to try something different and likes the idea of the Porsche Taycan and thinks we can make the charging work for road trips, but it would be great to utilize the superchargers.

The other side of all this is the busy superchargers we visited often I have a dual generic, DC charger all there by its lonesome, which we could just plug into.

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[phljeeper]

I would expect we will hear more soon about a converter that we can use to charge at a NACS supercharger. We will also likely see either manufacturers or the aftermarket developing replacements for the charging ports on CCS only vehicles to convert to NACS.

 

[Teufel Hund]

Yup, already a lot of discussion on this forum of CCS vs NACS. Whether Porsche (VW GROUP) decide to fit NACS into vehicles or not adapters will most definitely be available……. Providing Porsche works out the software/communication end with Tesla I don’t really see an issue with using occasionally using an adapter.

 

[Reg]

Why hasn’t there been a peep from Porsche on adopting this new NACS standard?

SAE International only standardized the NACS connector on June 27th, 2023.

And it wasn't until July 11th that the SAE even had a task force to handle ongoing development.

It is one thing to say something is a "standard" and another to actually be managed as a "standard"

 

[Deleted member 6348]

Most US Taycans are only capable of 50kw at a 400V EV charging station, superchargers and some high speed Chargepoint stations. With the Taycan, you have to specify the 150kw/400V option to get true fast charging performance on a 400V setup. Even then, that 150kw is substantially slower for the Taycan compared to performance using an Electrify America 350kw charger.

The problem for Porsche is that if they hop on the NACS bandwagon and do the things that Tesla asks -- seamless support of Tesla Plug & Charge and commit to NACS in the US going forward, it's no panacea for current owners. Tesla is using the leverage of the network to get manufacturers on the bandwagon. To join the club, you have to do those two things.

Given Tesla's requirements for a seamless "supercharger" plug & charge experience, it remains unclear whether there will eventually be a general adapter for all CCS EVs. By limiting support to a few specific EVs, Tesla narrows their testing requirements considerably. Only a small list of vehicles have to be validated as compatible vs CCS which has to work with a diverse universe of cars. Tesla is not keen on adding payment terminals and app support, because those things will degrade the charging experience. SPOILER: There's no Tesla magic, ie. they're likely to be just as unreliable with those features.

 

[Capt Mike]

I should start off by saying if there’s an active thread on this, please link me to it. In the Google searching I’ve been doing I get tayanforum references but not really finding the answers. I’m looking for. Like why Porsche is so quiet on this important subject.

For those in Canada and US: For the last couple of months, it seemed each week someone else had jumped on board with the NACS. I’m not going to list them all but it seems all the big players are adopting Tesla’s charging plug and welcoming them to the vast supercharging network.

I’m not saying I can’t get by with CCS as we don’t do a lot of road trips, and we probably would be fine, but I have found popping into hotels and requiring 3rd party charging accounts and things just seems like a bit of a hassle, so I generally just wait till next day and go to a supercharger. No additional account no problem.

1) Why hasn’t there been a peep from Porsche on adopting this new NACS standard?
2) what are the chances of them retrofitting the old plug to older Taycans? I’m thinking slim to none and I am an optimistic guy.

my wife really wants to try something different and likes the idea of the Porsche Taycan and thinks we can make the charging work for road trips, but it would be great to utilize the superchargers.

The other side of all this is the busy superchargers we visited often I have a dual generic, DC charger all there by its lonesome, which we could just plug into.

I agree with the question - where the hell is Porsche on this situation? Why have we been left hanging? No wonder Tesla gets the press.

 

[Reg]

The problem for Porsche is that if they hop on the NACS bandwagon and do the things that Tesla asks -- seamless support of Tesla Plug & Charge and commit to NACS in the US going forward,

I don't get that. If it is a true standard, then there should be no company that can "ask" another to do something - everything should be voluntary. You should be able to adopt it on Monday and ditch it on Tuesday,

Maybe that is why companies are skeptical about adopting it.

 

[Amelio]

It could be this type of thinking that’s holding Porsche back. I’m hoping part of the agreement between the manufacturer and Tesla is that they must help expand the network, otherwise there’s going to be far fewer chargers available to Tesla owners. We were at a supercharger in Laval Quebec that had 17 of its 20 chargers occupied by Teslas, and the three remaining we’re out of order. Imagine the situation with a bunch of other manufacturers looking lined up waiting for chargers. We ended up moving to another hotel 40m south in Montreal that had eight or 10 chargers in the underground, 6 of which were free to use, it was was great. I think they had 2 or 4 universal AC chargers.

Sorry for rambling, but when I do a google search for “Porsche NACS” I expect to find something other than reddit and taycanform links! Come on Porsche, cut the crap and open up the discussions. Could you imagine Porsche tweeting their intentions on this?! ?

I don't get that. If it is a true standard, then there should be no company that can "ask" another to do something - everything should be voluntary. You should be able to adopt it on Monday and ditch it on Tuesday,

Maybe that is why companies are skeptical about adopting it.

 

[Reg]

I expect to find something other than reddit and taycanform links! Come on Porsche, cut the crap and open up the discussions. Could you imagine Porsche tweeting their intentions on this?!

Why on earth do you think that Porsche should be announcing their plans, if any, before they are done? They aren't so dishonest like Tesla that announces every idea as if it was about to be done. (1 million Robotaxis by 2020, charging snake, coast to coast FSD trip by 2016, Then 2019 New Roadster, etc. etc)

 

[hifi239]

Okay for one thing, VW group has said EA will have NACS. We take that as a hint that VW group cars will join the NACS for USA. A separate issue is whether Tesla will agree to "let" VW group cars charge at Tesla-owned supercharger equipment. That equipment is privately-owned and Tesla can decide whether or not to let a Taycan charge there. There are two motivations for Tesla to let me charge there. One, is filling up SC stalls with customers paying near-gas prices for electrons. Another is qualifying for Government subsidies. I am not sure whether or not Tesla can qualify for Government subsidies if the open up SC to _some_ brands but not all?? If it needs to be all, then SC will support Porsche. What am I getting wrong?

 

[daveo4EV]

Porsche's focus is clear…

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/...-internal-combustion-engine-model-1234872673/

personally I could care less about NACS for Porsche - they can keep the CCS1 connector - they've always been slow to adopt 'better tech' - double wish bone front end for the 911 20 years late?

they'll move when it becomes embarrassing for them to be the only one left standing…

NACS is a "would be nice" but not necessary

however a NACS adapter + supercharger access is required for me to buy another Porsche EV…

Porsche will be the last manufacturer to move to NACS…but they need to gain access to the North American supercharger network just like they have access to it in Europe.

 

[daveo4EV]

the supercharger in Scott's Valley, CA continues to be reliable and functional for my Taycan when I need it - I prefer it to the wonky EA charges in the same general area…

 

[CAGCTG]

the supercharger in Scott's Valley, CA continues to be reliable and functional for my Taycan when I need it - I prefer it to the wonky EA charges in the same general area…

How do you use a supercharger with your Taycan? I thought the Superchargers were only for Tesla, and the Tesla community chargers were available for everyone else?

 

[Amelio]

Apparently folks in Europe are using Tesla’s CCS chargers for other brands and they have a few in the states that are CCS as well.

How do you use a supercharger with your Taycan? I thought the Superchargers were only for Tesla, and the Tesla community chargers were available for everyone else?

 

[Afliss]

How do you use a supercharger with your Taycan? I thought the Superchargers were only for Tesla, and the Tesla community chargers were available for everyone else?

If you take the risk to dl the tesla app, you will find some super chargers that can be used with CCS ports. There are precious few in the eastern us.

Tesla must retrofit the network to support non Tesla evs.

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