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This is a facelift, not a new Taycan. So upgrading their OS is a little too much
I think what we're seeing is the J1 platform poking through. Android Automotive is for the shared platform cars for the time being. I expect we'll see Porsche announce that many (but not all) of the features of the new infotainment system will be made available to the older Taycan's by way of a new "big update". Like the new online-based charging route planner, navigation filter options etc.

We won't see youtube streaming in passenger display – due to the lack of the hardware distraction filter.

We'll probably see the "tube" updates in the driver display – though not the new 3D assistance systems display option – as that likely requires new hardware sensors.
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I think what we're seeing is the J1 platform poking through. Android Automotive is for the shared platform cars for the time being. I expect we'll see Porsche announce that many (but not all) of the features of the new infotainment system will be made available to the older Taycan's by way of a new "big update". Like the new online-based charging route planner, navigation filter options etc.

We won't see youtube streaming in passenger display – due to the lack of the hardware distraction filter.

We'll probably see the "tube" updates in the driver display – though not the new 3D assistance systems display option – as that likely requires new hardware sensors.
The new Taycan does have the screen filter on the passenger display though. So they lifted that from other models.
 

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Can someone share the link to PDF? Got 404 on Porsche page.
 

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What about the " Turbo GT" version that was spotted on Nürburgring? Was that the new Turbo S, or its expected to see a GT and GTS version later?
 

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I don’t care about the range increase, bigger battery, or the change in the looks (definitely worse).

Just please tell me they added some fluorescent paint on the dials so I can tell the time on the Porsche design clock?

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Configurator finally online here. My RWD Dec’22 €133K would now cost €143K. So €10K for all the improvements and 2 years inflation. Not too bad.

Adding the sport design pack only changed the front and side skirts. Is that an error in the configurator? Or no different front bumper anymore?

Anyway, I still prefer the looks of the old version without a doubt! And I cannot really compare anyway, as I bought mine when it was almost 1 year old.
 

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Wow, this thread is moving fast. Digest mode replies below.

So I have a lightly used CT4 incoming. No way to justify the $50k delta because the improvement on the charging and range won't be fully realized on a road trip.
You found a 4CT for $60k? Wow, good deal..

And as for everyone else whining about depreciation: keep driving your cars, I'm certain they work just as well today as they have before the reveal..

I think this is technically a second generation vehicle (JII vs JI), not a Facelift but they've dressed it up as a Facelift. What do others think? The press release has very different language depending on where you look
It's neither a second generation, nor a 'facelift'. It's a mid-cycle refresh, and an extensive one at that. The body panels have not changed, and neither has the interior.. Still, not sure if pegging it either way helps..

In the pictures, the rear bumper vents on a Turbo look to be non-functional, so perhaps the new Taycan just went all fake vents just for looks..
Some of the videos mentioned that the vents are "non-functional" in the sense that they are not openings/proper vents. Having said that, it was also mentioned that they do serve an aerodynamic purpose, presumably because they detach the air flow from the otherwise curved rear bumper.

As a former 997.2 owner, I disagree :) The interior of the 997.2 was a massive upgrade over the 997.1. Most of the externals stayed the same but the .2 moved over to modern LED lighting in the rear as well as introduction of Bi-Xenon headlights, which were an amazing upgrade. Your sentiment is right on, though - this feels like a new car versus a .2 upgrade. All that said, I love my MY2020 4S - buying a first-gen anything means you’re buying the worst version of whatever it is, but I still think it’s better than almost anything else on the road.
I didn't spend time in either 997, and I admit I was a bit put off by the exterior changes (the rear lights of the .2 look a bit too blingy to me). Having said that, the 997.1 really is a 996 in all but interior and the return to the classic 911 look. .2 (with 9A1) was finally the end of the suspect M96/M97 engines, a much revamped PASM, and so I assumed everything else (such as interior improvements) would be smaller on the scale of impact. (The books Excellence Was Expected and others detail at length the various generations/improvements in the lifetime of the 911. It's kinda funny that the major redesigns were all brought on by the desire for larger wheels..)

So the *overall* design of the wings obviously doesn't change in terms of aero and I guess they've decided the minor drag reduction of blocking that vent/scarf doesn't necessitate the (perceived), improvement of having an electric charge port

I just can't see Porsche adding a fake vent to what could be a more generic (and therefore cheaper to produce), rear bumper without an actual reason, which imo is different from removing that air-flow. I'd also add that the majority of the new wheel options will reduce turbulence in the wheel well compared most of the options on the current gen car. It may be (geekily), interesting to see what they say about it though
Indeed it is curious that they blocked (?) the side air vent, perhaps indeed the gain was marginal. Having said that, the 'style elements' on the rear bumper do seem to create a more laminar airflow - even the base models have a more pronounced 'bow'/lip on the bottom part.


In other, generic comments, the recent reveals of the Macan and Taycan refresh seem to give us more hints on Porsche's EV strategy: the Taycan is being moved more upmarket, with the Macan replacing it as the volume seller. I would suspect a large part of the current contingent of Taycan owners would have gone for the Macan EV, if it were available. This, no doubt, will be the case forward, so I'd expect the Taycan to sell far fewer units than the 150k of the .1.
They had to maintain the 'premium' attribute of the brand with the Macan (at 50k it'd be too close to Tesla/Ford etc.), so it had to be a good car to justify the higher price. This, in turn, meant that the Taycan refresh had to be equally impressive, to justify pushing it upmarket. The focus on suspension was probably precisely because the Taycan must drive much better than the Macan (to justify its existence). All in all, this is a great return to "core values", and a reminder of what Porsche stands for (or aspires to be) as a company. (It was getting more and more difficult to keep defending them around here. ?) I'm, at the same time, glad to have "helped" as a buyer of a new, .1 car, and also somewhat relieved that my 1-year-old car is not instantly obsolete: it took seemingly a lot of effort to produce these improvements, which means the baseline was pretty solid, and the platform will continue to exist for a long time.
 

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After this exciting day, I’m just going to sum it up by saying that I will keep my current Taycan until I run it to the ground or wreck it.

I’ve even just invested a few days ago in this to cut down on my fuel costs…

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Looks REALLY good, except I really hate that you HAVE to get the "Pepita" seats if you want a leather-free interior. Not my style at ALL.

Also the fake vents are just tacky. If they're not gonna be functional as vents, figure out another way to style them, damnit.


Can't see myself upgrading in any case, at least not with current trade-in prices. Our '22 4S CT remains amazing regardless!

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Noooo!!!?
That’s the best bit.
Better if you call it Houndstooth.
Excellent retro throwback touch.
However.
IT SHOULD BE FREE!
Come on Porsche.
Encourage move away from leather.
Base trim is neither one thing or the other. Pointless. If you want leather fine. If not other material should be free.
It infuriates me that my Race Tex GTS is
‘trimmed’ with leather.
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I still think Porsche are being short sighted with the residual values. Strong residual values translate to strong new car sales and they should be doing something to prop these up, with software updates amongst other things. There will be a hell of a lot of people wary of buying a Taycan II consdering the crazy depreciations the first gen has endured.
Exactly this, if you can see past my early morning rant there was a point. This isn’t the same as an ice refresh, you expect some trim changes etc but the significant factor here is range

And even the business owner argument doesn't stack up - I have my own business and purchased a Taycan Turbo due to the tax breaks available and a healthy discount. But would I buy a Taycan II (with likely no discount) when the tax breaks don't come anywhere close to offsetting the crazy depreciations we've seen? It pains me to say probably not.

P.S. Absolutely love the car and hate the negativity around it due to dropping values. It's a beautiful thing to look at, glorious to drive and puts a smile on my face every day.
Exactly this, if you can see past my early morning rant there was a point. This isn’t the same as an ice refresh.
A bit of an over reaction.

The car is far from obsolete. The day before yesterday you were presumably using it for what you need, and also presumably we're happy with the way it felt, handled etc etc. That doesn't change.

The Taycan is no different in this respect to any product, including ICE cars. I wonder how many people bought a 997.1 only to see the 997.2 come out 12mths later with massive improvements to the interior and power train.

There's no new dynamic. "New and improved" has always been a thing, and product cycles in cars have been shortening for decades. 4yrs is par for the course.

On depreciation, there's been a perfect storm on the Taycan for a while as discussed on here plenty. You probably bought at the worst time, just before the clamour for getting hands on a car died down, supply eased up, national finances took a hoofing etc.

Much of this is Porsche's fault (their management of demand/supply/parts supply chain etc has been very poor) but the new model doesn't make that much difference. You'd likely have been offered similar at a main dealer a while ago.

But again, depreciation happens. People thinking Porsche were immune were kidding themselves. All 6 figure saloons/estates take a shoeing. The way to avoid depreciation is to buy used, or keep the car for a decent period of time.

I do totally agree with you on the software updates. There are tweaks they could make to PCM to improve it's usability a lot (I bet my biggest peeves aren't even addressed on the new model!), and it would be nice to think that updates to battery management (including tapping into the 10% "reserve" when plenty of other marques run less than half of that) could be made, as well as giving us ways to access the power all of the time (subject to battery and motor conditions... The push to pass button is infantile).

I suspect they won't though, and that will be irritating. The main hope is if the hardware hasn't changed...but I doubt that will matter.
i disagree, this is nothing like the ice equivalent. This is new territory for all automotive manufacturers, with significant range increases over the outgoing models and the massive depreciation how can they expect people to buy the new version. An ice refresh might get some trim changes maybe a power bump but range isn’t even a consideration, here it plays a significant part.
 

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We can all get around 30 km more range to change our pirelli tyres by the new Goodyear EAGLE F1 ASYMMETRIC 3. In the configurator in europe you can opt for the summertyres with better performance at no cost. But you will get less range. You check the difference in range per option when you check technical details; consumption en range change with every option you choose.

Wondering how the new tires will be.
 

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I would like to see the cars myself and not just on photos before saying anything about the design change. Not sure the photos do it justice?? I like the look of the Stormtrooper better for now.

BUT I would definitely welcome the faster charging speeds and the larger range! I mainly use my car for longer road trips and not as my daily. The Taycan is just too large for the loval roads nd parking spaces in outdoor or underground garages here where I live. Most spaces are designed for small Peugeot 208 etc.

My use case is probably different to many on this forum as I have used DC charging via Ionity, BP, Aral, Fastned and Tesla SuC, nearly 80% of the time. Never DC charged at anything below 150 kW. Only about 20% has been AC charging at home or hotels during my trips of more than 67,000 km’s.

My overall consumption from all the trips between charging has been a decent 22.8 kWh/100 km. I have had two modules changed in the main battery, but still the car shows a SoH of 90% now, which I am quite pleased about.

I think the refreshed Taycan is everything I had expected when they launched the car at the end of 2019. Seems they finally got all the technology together. The question is if it is enough to tempt me to change it now or wait for the next generation?
 

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Exactly this, if you can see past my early morning rant there was a point. This isn’t the same as an ice refresh.
I tried to see the point of your earlier self-admitted rant. I don't get, though, the expectation; what should a manufacturer do - not try to improve? Get beaten by the competition? Hold back - "we'll only improve by 10%, 15% is too much"?

And I'll have to dust off again the example of the 997 series; by numbers it was probably one of the most successful 911 generations, and yet its mid-cycle refresh was absolutely exhaustive. In general Porsche does "styling on .1, engine on .2", but the 997.2 series brought a new engine design, that didn't grenade itself. Seems a bit selfish to say ".1 customers should be spared the indignity of having their major problem fixed".

i disagree, this is nothing like the ice equivalent. This is new territory for all automotive manufacturers, with significant range increases over the outgoing models and the massive depreciation how can they expect people to buy the new version. An ice refresh might get some trim changes maybe a power bump but range isn’t even a consideration, here it plays a significant part.
See above - how about a completely new engine design? As in, from scratch, and of a "subassembly" that consists of 10k parts? It's happened before, and imho it's an encouraging sign to see a manufacturer taking criticism in stride, and going about silencing their critics.

However, I think you may be exaggerating a tad on the improvements of the refreshed Taycan; their presentation shows a 1,200 km trip - 40min saved on 13hrs, and mainly because 1 charging stop could be eliminated. It's a notable improvement, but in the context of daily life does not seem as impactful. Chin up :), your car is just as great as it was yesterday.
 

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Indeed it is curious that they blocked (?) the side air vent, perhaps indeed the gain was marginal. Having said that, the 'style elements' on the rear bumper do seem to create a more laminar airflow - even the base models have a more pronounced 'bow'/lip on the bottom part.
I was wondering about that too, but are we sure they blocked the airway? I was thinking maybe they found a way of making electric doors happen without blocking it (and made it standard as a result)
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