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Did you go straight home when you realised tigerbalm, or stay and have a bite to eat in town instead?

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Wasn't even in the country and have the plane tickets to prove it :)
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Indeed Harry and Clarkson are real dyed in the wool car enthusiasts but technically illiterate which leads to weirdness IMO.

Entertaining but profoundly wrong about the engineering.
That is true. However they are highly Influential and of course Harry has the power to move people and values. After the 3 episodes of his epic trip to Italy with his Countach now every petrol head is planning the same trip with their cars..: and pointing the finger towards the Taycan doesn’t help values. Most of the people here (including me) have petrol cars and electric.
 

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However they are highly Influential and of course Harry has the power to move people and values
That is the shame about it.
Having such technical misinformation being influential is a pity, and it is not just with EVs.

OTOH we live in a world of Google search and Yotube video with no peer review so expecting the publication of only factual information about pretty well anything died 30 years ago - IMHO of course.
 

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OTOH we live in a world of Google search and Yotube video with no peer review so expecting the publication of only factual information about pretty well anything died 30 years ago - IMHO of course.
25 years go, Bill Gates, along with other people like me, were hoping that internet - giving people access to the library of knowledge of the world, would make people more informed. We were very wrong. It turns out critical thinking, logic, are extremely rare in world's human population. Interconnecting people at the speed of light ended up spreading misinformation at a much, much higher rate than factual information. Worse, it provided an evolutionary incubator for misinformation, with tons of it generated, only the most believable and sensational (a.k.a. viral) prevailing. Facts and logical arguments require attention span, independent thinking, something human race is in very short supply. Most of the world's populations prefers bumper sticker slogans that align with their existing view of the world. So if you believe he Earth if flat, you only subscribe to sources of information confirming it, in a short, bumper sticker format - any fact that contradicts your point of view is immediately classified as fake news by your enemies. I now think the human kind has not evolved far enough to have instant communications. The next step is either evolution kills off the ignorant (only people with critical thinking skills survive and procreate), or the human race annihilates itself (we start the Final World War). Perhaps the reason why we have not encountered any other civilization out there is precisely this - most, if not all, civilizations evolve and self-destruct in under a hundred thousand years, which is a blink of an eye on the scale of the universe clock, so chances that two civilizations existing in the same blink within distances they could ever discover each other are next to none.
 
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25 years go, Bill Gates, along with other people like me, were hoping that internet - giving people access to the library of knowledge of the world, would make people more informed. We were very wrong. It turns out critical thinking, logic, are extremely rare in world's human population. Interconnecting people at the speed of light ended up spreading misinformation at a much, much higher rate than factual information. Worse, it provided an evolutionary incubator for misinformation, with tons of it generated, only the most believable and sensational (a.k.a. viral) prevailing. Facts and logical arguments require attention span, independent thinking, something human race is in very short supply. Most of the world's populations prefers bumper sticker slogans that align with their existing view of the world. So if you believe he Earth if flat, you only subscribe to sources of information confirming it, in a short, bumper sticker format - any fact that contradicts your point of view is immediately classified as fake news by your enemies. I now think the human kind has not evolved far enough to have instant communications. The next step is either evolution kills off the ignorant (only people with critical thinking skills survive and procreate), or perhaps the human race annihilates itself (we start the Final World War). Perhaps the reason why we have not encountered any other civilization out there is precisely this - most, if not all, civilizations evolve and self-destruct in under a hundred thousand years, which is a blink of an eye on the scale of the universe clock, so chances that two civilizations existing in the same blink within distances they could ever discover each other are next to none.
Quite so.
I was a relatively pioneering computer user writing the first software that earned me money in 1971 and have been disappointed in how it has developed and expanded.

I also think the human race is so greedy, ruthless and selfish it is likely to extinct itself, particularly because it tends to be the most greedy and selfish who usually end up in power.

I fear for my grandchildren's survival.
 

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Most of the world's populations prefers bumper sticker slogans that align with their existing view of the world.
I think using "world" here implies every country is like the USA and others is probably not accurate either though.
If you speak other languages you find not everywhere is like the US.
 


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Is it though? I means statistically for most people, or a society (or even humanity) as a whole.
I think the aspect that early adaptors of the internet often missed – or took for granted – is that they see the internet as a collection of documents and resources to be found and read: a vast global library.

Where as for most people the internet is a medium to communicate with: a vast global new telecommunication system.

I missed it myself when in university in early 90s. Computer science grads were telnet-ing to unix machines and FTPing down things that were both good and bad for you. Regular people were "talking" on IRC. I thought that was the biggest waste of time – couldn't understand it.

I guess wikipedia is the closest we have to Encarta now – and its full of risk and mis-information. Still I'm glad we have it. Can you imagine the current web without wikipedia? I think we'd be the worse for it.
 
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Indeed Harry and Clarkson are real dyed in the wool car enthusiasts but technically illiterate which leads to weirdness IMO.

Entertaining but profoundly wrong about the engineering.
I really like Harry and his reviews, but he really really is appalling at reviewing anything EV. The basic and fundamental mistakes and misunderstandings he has about EV's are embarrassing for someone who is a car journalist (albeit retired).

That is true. However they are highly Influential and of course Harry has the power to move people and values. After the 3 episodes of his epic trip to Italy with his Countach now every petrol head is planning the same trip with their cars..: and pointing the finger towards the Taycan doesn’t help values. Most of the people here (including me) have petrol cars and electric.
And herein lies a lot of the issues. The lack of understanding and huge amount of ignorance percolate through the internet and then the 'papers' like the Daily Hate etc, fuel the fire of 'things they don't like or understand'.

If one more person talks to me about hydrogen cars....:facepalm: without any knowledge of how they work, where the hydrogen will come from, how we can sustain the supply and logistics of hydrogen.

All I get it ignorant arguments and a wholly misinformed word scrabble re-digested straight from the 'internet'
 

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I think using "world" here implies every country is like the USA and others is probably not accurate either though.
If you speak other languages you find not everywhere is like the US.
I do speak other languages (born and grew up in Europe, so still have friends and family there), US is the 4th country I've lived in, and gotta tell you that while some things are different in different countries, the spread of misinformation and lack of critical thinking seems very common across the board. My sample size of course is small, as I keep a small circle of friends and family with whom I keep in touch regularly, but they are actually quite spread out across the (western) world.
 
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I guess wikipedia is the closest we have to Encarta now – and its full of risk and mis-information. Still I'm glad we have it.
There is no single source of truth on the internet. However, it does give you access to a lot of sources, so you can use your own critical thinking skills to search for different sources of facts and opinions, and then decide where the truth is mostly likely to lie. Wikipedia is a great resource on that by the way, as it often links a lot of sources, but I still would recommend looking for corroboration outside of wikipedia. All that is too much effort for most people. This is also the reason why I don't bother much with news headlines which don't impact or interest me (e.g. I don't care who murdered whom in some city on another continent which I will likely never visit, since I don't have the time, nor desire, to get the bottom of what actually happened, and single source of news is incomplete information at best, typically sensationalized and colorized to attract readers).
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