2024 Model 3 Performance

[TXSchnee]

I have no thoughts on the Tesla, never drove one, I did however drive a BMW i4 M50 as a loaner and was pretty impressed with it. More expensive than a Model 3, but still much cheaper than the Taycan, may be worth a look.

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[Donlam]

I would not own any other car again except Porsche.

 

[violuma]

I'm fairly certain this only happens when you are using the "Google" online POI search option, rather than the built in POI database.

I don't think so. I've never once touched that "Google" button, and I get the "restricted access" disclaimer any time I go somewhere that involves a private road.

 

[DerekS]

I don't think so. I've never once touched that "Google" button, and I get the "restricted access" disclaimer any time I go somewhere that involves a private road.

I was very specific to not use the Google button today and still got the “restricted access.”

 

[violuma]

I was very specific to not use the Google button today and still got the “restricted access.”

FWIW, there's a Rennlist thread about this from 2006, so it's not Taycan-specific by any means.

 

[Roppe]

I had a Cross Turismo 4S which I picked up early -22 and I loved that car, in spite of the 5 service visits I had (all software related) by when my Model S Plaid finally arrived after almost 2 years of wait, I traded the Porsche.
The Plaid is my 4th Tesla, and my last. The way I have been treated, the amount of absolutely ridiculous amount of faults ( I could not open the driver door for 6 weeks and Tesla had NEVER seen this before) i am actually embarrassed owning this car. Squeaks, rattles, insanely poor panel fit ( charge port sits almost 0,5 inch too far in, but is within spec according to Tesla), standard brakes were dangerously poor I had to upgrade them after delivery. In fact, how they are allowed to sell a 1000+ hp car with these breaks is mind blowing.
We have a Mercedes EQE43 SUV as well and whilst the drive is nowhere near Porsche, the quality and service is phenomenal.
I now have a 2025 CT 4S on order, but I’d really like to order a Porsche with Tesla software and Nercedes customer service.

 

[parkslopedope]

Hate SUVs and can’t go back to ICE.

Check, on your feeling about SUVs, but I think he meant the Macan Turbo EV, not the ICE version.

 

[Archon]

Sounds like you’re already leaning towards the Model 3, not quite like a Camry. I would say closer to the electric Prius is the better analogy. I would not give Elon a penny personally but get what makes you happy and you won’t regret. Good luck.

 

[Murph7355]

I’m really on the fence. Despite all the Taycan faults I just like it better.

There is no rational reason to drop a 6-figure sum on a car.

Fortunately humans aren't always rational

 

[Murph7355]

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I likewise find myself is a similar boat. I really want to get an EV sports sedan, but most products on the market just don’t seem perfect. So it may be down to leasing something for a few years to see what develops. Maybe Porsche will get their act together in about 4-5 years and have a solid offering that they can support.

In the entire history of cars, there has never been a perfect one. Only a set of compromises that best suit your own requirements.

Some of those requirements can't be measured by a stopwatch etc. And the more expensive a car is, the less rational the purchase becomes (broadly) so more subjective considerations bubble up to the top (the way a car looks, feels and smells for example).

Neither a Taycan nor a Model 3 is perfect. The question is, which compromises suit you the most...and there's nothing wrong with that being 50k in your back pocket (or however much the difference is)

 

[whitex]

@DerekS , did you leave "Price" out of the comparison on purpose or just an omission? Perhaps a table row that says how many fully loaded Model 3 Performance one can buy for a price of a fully loaded Taycan Turbo GT. Or rephrase is as "free same options/performance loaners while the other car is getting fixed". If your Taycan Turbo GT is in the shop waiting for a battery repair, I am almost certain that you will not get another one to drive, with Model 3's your battery is fixed quicker but for the price of a Taycan GT you can have a spare one, maybe even more than one if you like changing colors of your cars depending on your mood.

I love my Taycan, not planning on selling it any time soon, but come next car, the competition is getting really good at much lower prices. Sure, if you want a status symbol, get a Porsche over Tesla or others, but status symbol is not anywhere on my list of desires.

 

[DerekS]

@DerekS , did you leave "Price" out of the comparison on purpose or just an omission? Perhaps a table row that says how many fully loaded Model 3 Performance one can buy for a price of a fully loaded Taycan Turbo GT. Or rephrase is as "free same options/performance loaners while the other car is getting fixed". If your Taycan Turbo GT is in the shop waiting for a battery repair, I am almost certain that you will not get another one to drive, with Model 3's your battery is fixed quicker but for the price of a Taycan GT you can have a spare one, maybe even more than one if you like changing colors of your cars depending on your mood.

I love my Taycan, not planning on selling it any time soon, but come next car, the competition is getting really good at much lower prices. Sure, if you want a status symbol, get a Porsche over Tesla or others, but status symbol is not anywhere on my list of desires.

I guess I did omit price. The Taycan is already a sunk cost for me.

What I’m evaluating is selling the Taycan, banking the cash for a future fun-car purchase, and leasing a Tesla for a couple years to see how things shake out. I expect the cost of the entire lease term is less than the continued depreciation hits the Taycan will take over that same time frame.

I’m not interested in a status symbol either, at least not any more. But I do like having something that is a little bit unique and unusual in my cars.

 

[Zcd1]

So after the shocking thread about a shallow dent causing a 72k battery repair, I am really not sure about getting another Porsche EV. In fact I’m strongly considering selling the one I’ve got.

My wife has been driving a Model 3 since 2018, and after 120K happy miles we upgraded to the 2024 model which I quite like. I’ve been driving both cars and thinking about potentially getting a Model 3 Performance.

Here are the various factors I’m considering.

Feature	Porsche	Tesla	Winner
Styling/appearance	The Taycan looks great as all Porsches do. It has Porsche cachet.	The Tesla is also a very attractive car, but it’s also a ubiquitous one. They are so popular they are as common and basic as a Camry.	Porsche
Driving experience	The Taycan drives like a proper Porsche, it feels great, responsive, and controllable.	The Tesla, especially the 2024 model, has greatly improved driving dynamics. The handling is very good and the upgraded model is less bouncy than the previous generation. However, it has the one-pedal driving where the car brakes when you lift off the accelerator. I know Tesla people love this but I do not.	Porsche
Keyless entry	Porsche has a nice looking painted keyfob that must go in your pocket. The car unlocks when you approach, but must be manually locked by clicking the keyfob or touching the door handle.	Tesla lets you use your phone as a key which is outstanding. We always have our phones! It uses the phone to identify the driver, move the seats/mirrors/wheel. The car unlocks when you approach and locks when you walk away. It’s seamless.	Tesla
Infotainment system	The Porsche PCM has been pretty poor for me. Often the music will just stop playing which has become a running joke for us. It does have carplay, but I find I don’t like using it for anything but iMessage. When I try to stream music on Carplay from Apple Music as a backup for the PCM, it sometimes “skips” like an old CD player.	The infotainment system is rich and robust. I’ve noticed no issues with music playback. It does not have Carplay, but it does have a system for reading your texts and allowing voice replies. There are many extras such as streaming services while parked, and even a web browser.	Tesla
Navigation system	Porsche’s navigation system is clunky but serviceable. It doesn’t handle long distance trips well and sometimes requires breaking a long trip up into smaller ones. The callouts are fine, and it does a good job of making sure charging stops are weaved into the trip, including recalculating when excess consumption changes the plan. I don’t know why it always tells me “caution: the destination is a restricted access area” which is also now a running joke for us.	Tesla really thought their nav system through. They made navigation not a secondary feature, but the primary action you take first thing when getting in the car. This makes sense! It’s fast, responsive, easy to understand and very good at lookups. No notes.	Tesla
Ingress/Egress	Getting in and out of the Taycan is quite a chore for me. I‘m tall and also have a hip issue. I have to move the wheel all the way forward and seat all the way backward, something the car will not do for me automatically. I have to set different memory presets for driving and exiting, and manually hold the buttons every single time.	The Tesla handles this much better. When I put the car in park the wheel and seat move to my desired exit positions, and they automatically move to driving position. I really wish my Taycan would do this!	Tesla
Interior	The Porsche interior is minimal but well presented. I like having “something” on the dash in my cars, and I mostly like the way they’ve done the e-dash. Fit and finish is quality. It mostly looks like it should for a car of this price.	The Tesla is starkly minimalist to a fault. There is no dash requiring looking to the side for info like speed, destination etc. I don’t hate this, but I don’t love it.	Porsche
Range	I get around 200 miles on the Taycan at 85%.	The Tesla gets over 250 miles at 80%. It also seems to last longer real-world due to the forced regen of one-pedal driving.	Tesla
Charging network	Electrocute America is serviceable but deeply flawed. I’ve never been left stranded, but I’ve certainly had sub-par charging experiences. Broken chargers, under-performing chargers, slow-charging vehicles hogging high-speed chargers are the norm. But when the stars align - unused 350kW unit working correctly, prewarmed battery, low SoC - the Taycan is a charging monster.	Tesla’s network may not be as fast as EA but they make up for it with reliability and availability. I made a long road trip in the Taycan, then repeated it with the Tesla, and found Tesla‘s route had fewer charging stops, miles, and a more direct route overall. Charging a Tesla is a non-event. It just works.	Tesla

Cars beyond basic transportation are rarely a purely rational decision, but your chart nicely illustrates the shrinking gap between luxury/high end and more mainstream vehicles.

It’s not hard to understand why you’re questioning this decision.

 

[Jenner]

To be fair every time I’ve left Porsche I come crawling back.

"There is no substitute"

Derek I can relate to a lot of your posts. Much like you my Taycan Turbo S is a love/hate relationship only I haven't had any problems just lots of recalls/warranty stuff and also like you my Taycan is my 9th Porsche after lots of 911s and GT models and I have left Porsche only to come back several times since my getting my first Porsche in 2002.

We have a '22 Model Y Performance and I love it for what it is (but it is no Porsche). It is rapid for the price (up to 80mph) and I can only imagine how much better the new M3P with its new technology and power. The MYP is minimalist and it just works. The steering isn't direct and doesn't give you much feedback but it's also a fraction of the price of my Taycan.

Like you I love the phone key. I love the cellular connection/info/access without having to pay $300+ a year for it. I added an integrated screen behind the wheel for CarPlay and a front parking camera which fixed the few things it was missing. The seats are very comfortable and the handling is decent. It's no Porsche but for the price it is excellent and the new M3P being newer and a sedan will be even better.

That said nothing feels luxury about the Tesla. You never feel special driving it and while the electric motor whine is nice, personally I love the Porsche electric sounds (I know this is a very debated topic but for me I absolutely love it)

I've had a deposit on the new "Tesla Roadster" for several years and thought about canceling it several times. My biggest fear is that it won't handle or feel like a supercar or even a Porsche because of the materials used or it will have a ton of issues like the Cybertruck.

But getting to the point based on my own experiences and reading many of your posts and hearing you say: "
To be fair every time I’ve left Porsche I come crawling back."

You will be back.

I say take a break from Porsche, enjoy the more affordable M3P for a while but you'll be back
It's a car you'll probably lose some $ on it when you decide to go back to Porsche but it will be a drop in the bucket compared to the Taycan. You can easily afford to go check out a Tesla M3P and I am sure in the beginning you will love it. If you don't drive any Porsche's for a while you might even forget what you are missing or it will make you appreciate why you love what Porsche does/offers even if they get it wrong in so many other areas. Maybe lease the M3P and try to time it with the Gen 2 Taycan release so you can change if you want without having to deal with trading or selling it.

One more thing, in your first post you said:
"However, it has the one-pedal driving where the car brakes when you lift off the accelerator. I know Tesla people love this but I do not."

FYI this is wrong and can be controlled in the software with some simple options in "normal mode" and more advance tweaking in "track mode."

(not my own pictures but you get the idea)

I wish we had this level of control in the Taycan! Heck I just wish it would remember my last driving mode... ?

HTH!

 

[Cincy2]

My wife and I have owned a total of five different Tesla's. Model 3, Model Y and three Model S's. All of them handled poorly and had fit/finish issues. The boring interiors were just that, boring and not something I was proud to drive. Servicing them by texting the repair shop was a completely unsatisfactory process. This was ultimately what made us move to MB (wife) and Porsche (me).

In comparison with my 2024 Taycan GTS, only Tesla's software excels. Everything else binds me to the Porsche brand. Fun to drive, beautiful to look at, adequate range and charging options and an exterior that causes many necks to swivel, including mine when I park it. Game over.

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