'24 GTS ST Build Feedback

[Tooney]

4-Zone Climate Control - Will rarely have rear passengers but I've read that you lose front footwell temperature control without this option.

You are correct. 2 zone climate control does not have front footwell temp control.

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[bills742]

Wow, I'm really glad I posted the build for everyone to comment on! I've learned a lot and will make changes based on the comments. This is such a great forum!

@bills742, welcome, and thank you for sharing your build and providing some rationale to go along with the choices. This is my feedback:

- Neptune/Carbon: Have you seen this color in person and ideally on a GTS trim even if it is a Sedan to see how it looks in different lighting conditions and how it goes together with Lighting in Black (Front/Rear). That was my color of choice, but after driving a loaner for a few days and then seeing a GTS sedan with a Carbon kit, I did not like it at the end, as color was just too dark and dull even in the direct sun, and carbon bits were also too dark to see the carbon patterns inside and out.

- Panoramic Roof: I am not able to figure out if you have the glass roof or not, as it is listed (may be in error) as part of the Standard Equipment, but it is also part of the Premium Package that you did not select, but visualization shows it with a glass roof. You may want to confirm to be sure as MY24 configurator seems to be a half-baked affair as it also shows 911 T decal in Agate Grey as part of the Standard Equipment under your build.

I have seen Neptune and I do like the color; however, it was a very brief viewing of a used car that was really dirty sitting outside. I see that you have an Ice Grey car which was high on my list. I have a Hockenheim Silver M2C which I hear is very similar to Ice Grey so I wanted to change it up. The only other color I considered was Chalk which I do like, but I also value the exclusivity of Neptune being a Taycan-specific color. Someone else on the forum said Neptune is like a blue Chalk; it was an interesting comment but I kind of understood and agreed, haha.

Everyone seems to agree that dropping the Carbon Fiber SportDesign Pack is a good idea on the GTS so I'll likely be doing that and dropping the CF mirror caps.

The GTS ST comes standard with the panoramic roof. Yeah, the configurator is definitely wonky!

Tires - on most Taycans summer tires are standard. I could not find that in standard equipment listing for this vehicle. (Something is wrong with standard equipment listing since it lists 911 Carrera T side decal as standard). But, there is an option for all season tires. Confirm the tires you want.

Home charging. See https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/us-home-charging-recommendation-this-is-as-simple-as-i-can-make-it…honestly-bare-bones-least-amount-of-text….11745/
and:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/us-over-the-top-the-well-equipped-ev-home-garage…for-those-that-wish-to-over-do-it-….2343/
and:
https://www.youtube.com/@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
Nice build. Good luck.

I'm sticking with the summer tires and will eventually have dedicated winter and summer tire sets. Thanks so much for the charging links! There's a lot to learn with this topic.

I don't know much about radar detectors, but some of them have externally installed components, I think? Maybe not the one you want.

FWIW, I did not notice cell service degradation. This however could be either me not noticing it, or mitigated by separate factors. (Phone using the car's LTE over Wifi? Cellphone amplifier in the charging cubby?)

Yeah, the two zones in the back are missing without this option, so consequently there's also no panel to control them (I guess you could make them control the entire A/C, but Porsche does not seem to agree).

From what I remember about the pretty horrible compression of satellite radio, yeah, you're probably fine with the BOSE.

But a lot of what you read is from people not having the Burmester in the first place. For example, a lot of them seem to miss that without BOSE, you don't have speakers in the A pillars, which is quite a difference by itself.

Still, does not sound like that money spent would be worth it to you.

I have it in my Taycan because it's a used one, and it was specced like that. To me it's basically "dead weight" (though I don't know if it actually weighs any more), as I can't imagine getting a 100A breaker and an EVSE that supports 19.2kW charging.

But if you want to go for full "future proof", and are maybe anticipating that there are public 19.2kW chargers, then maybe go for it. All chargers I've seen so far have either been of the ~6kW kind (not needing that option), or DC fast chargers, which is different entirely and not relevant to this option.

It's also worth noting that you can apparently add it later it via Suncoast Parts.

I have a Valentine V1 so it's not external. If I do spec the insulated glass, I'll use this solution for the radar detector.

I strongly considered the Burmester upgrade, but I listen to about 90% sports talk radio and 10% music so the upgrade is likely not useful for me. This post was valuable.

Great find with the option to potentially add the 19.2 KW via Suncoast!

A minor thing, but for me would affect if I'd buy your car used. If I see "smoking package" I'm going to move on. I don't know how common that attitude might be, but if you don't' actually smoke, maybe skip the free ashtray.

This is a great point and one I didn't consider. It also makes me think I should spec the premium package because it will likely help resale (dealer just confirmed this). I'll "deal" with the insulated glass.

I have the standard brakes on my 4S but have the PSCBs on my GTS ST - step change IMHO.

This is exactly what I was looking for, someone who has experience with both on a Taycan! Sorry, I'm not familiar with the phrase "step change", does that mean large difference? If so, different in what aspect?

 

[SergeyIndy]

@bills742, I agree on the description of Neptune = Blue Chalk, I would have gone for Chalk but already have Cayenne in that color. Great choice, no question, just wanted to be sure that you are sure. +1 on the Premium Pack and you should be able to work around the reception, otherwise Standard Glass is just too thin on its own on frameless doors, that was a must have for me just for that reason alone. Also, I would skip 19.2kW unless you have a compelling case to justify for your uses. I have PSCBs on the Cayenne and they are a must have for me for no brake dust factor alone, to wrap my comments overall.

 

[or1]

I have PSCB on my GTS ST and think they are well worth the cost. No rust - they get a polished reflective surface over time.

 

[magnitude]

Someone else on the forum said Neptune is like a blue Chalk

Hah, that's... totally true. I don't have Neptune or Chalk myself, but having seen them... yeah, I totally agree!

I strongly considered the Burmester upgrade, but I listen to about 90% sports talk radio and 10% music so the upgrade is likely not useful for me. This post was valuable.

Okay, that post is a bit weird, because the Burmester has obvious speakers in the A pillars at ear level, which is very noticeable just spatially, but also "audiophile" and "lossless"... as an actual signal processing engineer who deals with the actual, fundamental math of audio signals (among others), don't get me started...

Anyway, all of this is moot: With 90% talk radio and 10% music, you'd definitely be wasting all that money. Even if this should be a used car and you'd effectively pay proportionally less (which was the case for me). You will enjoy the BOSE.

This is a great point and one I didn't consider. It also makes me think I should spec the premium package because it will likely help resale (dealer just confirmed this). I'll "deal" with the insulated glass.

I mean, I don't have any data whatsoever, except that I'm a person who skipped on another Taycan Turbo unseen because of that red flag, before reading any discussion about it. I'm probably a bit special in that regard, but even if I smelt the car, knowing that smoke odor may go away for a while and then come back... nah, not worth it for me.

 

[Sidicks]

I have PSCB on my GTS ST and think they are well worth the cost. No rust - they get a polished reflective surface over time.

This is the main (only?) benefit from the PSCB - shiny brake discs so no rust!

 

[SergeyIndy]

This is the main (only?) benefit from the PSCB - shiny brake discs so no rust!

This is what they claim below. I like them for the following reasons on the Cayenne and will have them on the Taycan:

* Larger than Standard (Black) iron brakes
* No rust that I noticed
* Look like a mirror after 10k miles
* 31k miles and no service is called on them yet
* I like in White color
* High Gloss Black $900 option seems steep, but we do not make the rules

-> Would like to learn their un-sprung weight vs. Standard (Black) and vs. Ceramic (Yellow)
-> Only issue I have is some known squeaking (on Cayennes) but this has not been confirmed by any Taycan owner with these brakes to my knowledge

 

[W1NGE]

Wow, I'm really glad I posted the build for everyone to comment on! I've learned a lot and will make changes based on the comments. This is such a great forum!



I have seen Neptune and I do like the color; however, it was a very brief viewing of a used car that was really dirty sitting outside. I see that you have an Ice Grey car which was high on my list. I have a Hockenheim Silver M2C which I hear is very similar to Ice Grey so I wanted to change it up. The only other color I considered was Chalk which I do like, but I also value the exclusivity of Neptune being a Taycan-specific color. Someone else on the forum said Neptune is like a blue Chalk; it was an interesting comment but I kind of understood and agreed, haha.

Everyone seems to agree that dropping the Carbon Fiber SportDesign Pack is a good idea on the GTS so I'll likely be doing that and dropping the CF mirror caps.

The GTS ST comes standard with the panoramic roof. Yeah, the configurator is definitely wonky!



I'm sticking with the summer tires and will eventually have dedicated winter and summer tire sets. Thanks so much for the charging links! There's a lot to learn with this topic.





I have a Valentine V1 so it's not external. If I do spec the insulated glass, I'll use this solution for the radar detector.

I strongly considered the Burmester upgrade, but I listen to about 90% sports talk radio and 10% music so the upgrade is likely not useful for me. This post was valuable.

Great find with the option to potentially add the 19.2 KW via Suncoast!



This is a great point and one I didn't consider. It also makes me think I should spec the premium package because it will likely help resale (dealer just confirmed this). I'll "deal" with the insulated glass.



This is exactly what I was looking for, someone who has experience with both on a Taycan! Sorry, I'm not familiar with the phrase "step change", does that mean large difference? If so, different in what aspect?

Better braking, more direct feel etc

The only caveat here is that the setup could be different to the 4S in any case when comparing standard brakes.

Can't deny that there is a cosmetic benefit too.

 

[f1eng]

This is the main (only?) benefit from the PSCB - shiny brake discs so no rust!

IMO yes.
Cast Iron has ideal friction characteristic for road car brakes because the friction coefficient varies less with temperature than other materials I have data on.

After many years of development we got composite brakes as good but they are extremely expensive - the big gain for racing was weight (more overall than unsprung, the chassis dyno didn’t show a big gain in wheel load fluctuation with modest reductions in unsprung weight).

I believe the main objective of the plating of the discs is no visible rust and I suspect there is no substantial improvement in actual braking from them - for road driving anyway because they are hardly ever used.

Brakes can be a massive source of improved lap time in racing so I spent my decades in racing trying to optimise them for friction, cooling and wear. Porsche know about brakes and I am 100% sure the standard brakes are better than most makes supply.

I wouldn’t be prepared to pay extra for the options on an EV with mainly regenerative braking personally.

If you prefer the look enough to pay, any of the braking options and caliper colours are worth it, of course.

 

[Sidicks]

IMO yes.
Cast Iron has ideal friction characteristic for road car brakes because the friction coefficient varies less with temperature than other materials I have data on.

After many years of development we got composite brakes as good but they are extremely expensive - the big gain for racing was weight (more overall than unsprung, the chassis dyno didn’t show a big gain in wheel load fluctuation with modest reductions in unsprung weight).

I believe the main objective of the plating of the discs is no visible rust and I suspect there is no substantial improvement in actual braking from them - for road driving anyway because they are hardly ever used.

Brakes can be a massive source of improved lap time in racing so I spent my decades in racing trying to optimise them for friction, cooling and wear. Porsche know about brakes and I am 100% sure the standard brakes are better than most makes supply.

I wouldn’t be prepared to pay extra for the options on an EV with mainly regenerative braking personally.

If you prefer the look enough to pay, any of the braking options and caliper colours are worth it, of course.

Somewhat ironically, I might have been tempted by the PSCB if they had been a dull grey-black colour rather than the shiny mirror finish!

 

[007]

Somewhat ironically, I might have been tempted by the PSCB if they had been a dull grey-black colour rather than the shiny mirror finish!

Huge beautiful grey disks are on the PCCBs.

 

[Sidicks]

Huge beautiful grey disks are on the PCCBs.

Indeed. I had them on my GT3 but not needed on the Taycan.

 

[bills742]

Okay, that post is a bit weird, because the Burmester has obvious speakers in the A pillars at ear level, which is very noticeable just spatially, but also "audiophile" and "lossless"... as an actual signal processing engineer who deals with the actual, fundamental math of audio signals (among others), don't get me started...

Anyway, all of this is moot: With 90% talk radio and 10% music, you'd definitely be wasting all that money. Even if this should be a used car and you'd effectively pay proportionally less (which was the case for me). You will enjoy the BOSE.

Okay, now I'm really interested in your thoughts considering your background! I actually contracted an acoustical engineering firm for our home theater in a house we're about to build so I greatly respect your field. Maybe you've even heard of them because it seems like you're in Northern California based on your info under your avatar (not a stalker, haha) which is where they are located (Performance Media Industries, Anthony Grimani and his team).

Based on your expert opinion, can you notice a sound quality difference if all you listen to is compressed, streaming source material? You'll find some say that Burmester would actually sound worse because "junk in, junk out" and better acoustical equipment enhance the negatives (obviously in addition to the positives) from the source material. Even if just listening to talk radio, is there a benefit to Burmester? You mentioned the speakers in the A-pillars so that's at least one positive.

-> Would like to learn their un-sprung weight vs. Standard (Black) and vs. Ceramic (Yellow)

Here's a post that discusses the different weights.

 

[or1]

IMO yes.
Cast Iron has ideal friction characteristic for road car brakes because the friction coefficient varies less with temperature than other materials I have data on.

After many years of development we got composite brakes as good but they are extremely expensive - the big gain for racing was weight (more overall than unsprung, the chassis dyno didn’t show a big gain in wheel load fluctuation with modest reductions in unsprung weight).

I believe the main objective of the plating of the discs is no visible rust and I suspect there is no substantial improvement in actual braking from them - for road driving anyway because they are hardly ever used.

Brakes can be a massive source of improved lap time in racing so I spent my decades in racing trying to optimise them for friction, cooling and wear. Porsche know about brakes and I am 100% sure the standard brakes are better than most makes supply.

I wouldn’t be prepared to pay extra for the options on an EV with mainly regenerative braking personally.

If you prefer the look enough to pay, any of the braking options and caliper colours are worth it, of course.

There may be less maintenance cost on the brakes because of less rust. In Norway some cars have the discs replaced because of too much deep rust, not too much wear. But maybe Taycans do enough automatic light braking every day to avoid this. (A car that stands still for a long time may not avoid it.)

And anyway I haven't done any calculations to see if it compensates enough for the extra initial cost, so you may definitely call it esthetic: just avoiding visible rust is worth a bit to me.

 

[Ross]

Too much navel gazing!
The basic brakes are absolutely brilliant. There is no functional benefit to upgrading on a Taycan.
The discs look fine and red callipers are the best especially with black wheels.

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