Charging Etiquette

[Scandinavian]

In EU, and even the same charger in US or UK, is based on 800-920DC volt for over 225kw . Like Alpitronic 225,300kw, Efacec 160,180 320,350 kw, Kempower 400,600kw are based on this. The 50,60 and 100kw are on 400-520DC Volt,
how i know? I Import , install, distribute DC chargers and consult my expertise on EV.
if you have an 150 kw chargerEA, you have 2 possibilities. Or it’s an 400 or it’s an 800 VdC.

what i mean is , an ID4 driver tries to charge on a 150 kw 400 V , ok
same on 800v charger it’s 80kw. Also , on a basic 150 kw charger, mostly it’s a 200 orb250 A cable.
with a 300 kw charger, mostly you have 400A or 500A liquid cooled cables.
so simlpy math.

Found it.

https://insideevs.com/news/531867/volkswagen-id4-fast-charging-test/

But as said above we do not know if the ID4 arrived when all 150 kW stations were occupied.

But the comment from the woman in the earliest part of OP post is not a good role model.

””” The woman in the volvo was at 75% when I arrived and basically told me to kick rocks. She was still there by the time I left, charging at <50kw with her battery at 95%.”””

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[Andy0565]

This is absolutely correct but most non-technically minded people don't know this is inevitable and the sort of person who always brimmed their IC engined car will probably just assume charging to 100% is what they should do and just w1nge (see what I did there) about the slow end to the charging assuming it is something wrong with the charger rather than their ignorance. Probably.

Education is the answer, not anger, but misinformation seems more likley in the internet age

How about explaining to those who choose to charge beyond 80% that the will significantly reduce the life of their car battery and therefore reduce its trade-in value. Doesn’t really matter if it’s true or not as long as it encourages them to move on at 89%

 

[Scandinavian]

Can you provide source link? Would like to check other countries.

Here in Portugal its a mess. The price is composed of 3 components plus taxes. You need to use an app to even have an idea of the cost.

Thx

Once your Taycan is delivered you can also find the updated pricing per country for the Porsche Charging Service in the My Porsche app. Funnily enough though I could not find the info for Portugal in my app, but screen shot of rates in Spain are below.

 

[Klepper]

....But as said above we do not know if the ID4 arrived when all 150 kW stations were occupied....

Sometimes when my wife and I go out for dinner, we have to park near the back of the restaurant parking lot when we arrive and it's busy. But on the way out, after a long dinner, the parking lot is almost empty except for our car way at the back. I say to her, "gee, why did we park all the way back there when there's all these empty spots up front?"

Same concept with the ID4 in the 350W spot when all the other ones are empty.

 

[Andy0565]

some of the comments here are absurd. if I feel that I need 100% to make it to the next charger I am charging to 100%.
end of story

So, 100% will give you 210 miles. If you’re lucky with the traffic, you’ll do that in 3 1/2 hours. Are you really going to drive non-stop for that time? To me, it makes loads of sense to stop every couple of hours, let’s say every 120-130 miles, whatever type of car you’re in. So that’s about 60%. So why wouldn’t you charge from 20% to 80% at each stop? Getting to 100% is likely to take twice as long as getting to the initial 80%. I understand that you need to get to the next charger but how often are you going to be 200 miles away from it. If you are going to continue with your approach, you’d better hope that everyone else doesn’t follow suit otherwise you’ll be queuing for a few hours once you get there!

 

[Klepper]

So, 100% will give you 210 miles. If you’re lucky with the traffic, you’ll do that in 3 1/2 hours. Are you really going to drive non-stop for that time? To me, it makes loads of sense to stop every couple of hours, let’s say every 120-130 miles, whatever type of car you’re in. So that’s about 60%. So why wouldn’t you charge from 20% to 80% at each stop? Getting to 100% is likely to take twice as long as getting to the initial 80%. I understand that you need to get to the next charger but how often are you going to be 200 miles away from it. If you are going to continue with your approach, you’d better hope that everyone else doesn’t follow suit otherwise you’ll be queuing for a few hours once you get there!

This all makes perfect sense - until that next charging station you stop at with only 10% SOC is down and not working. With EA in the US, that's a really strong possibility.

When you show up to charge at 40% SOC, you have many more options to try and find a working charger.

 

[Andy0565]

This all makes perfect sense - until that next charging station you stop at with only 10% SOC is down and not working. With EA in the US, that's a really strong possibility.

When you show up to charge at 40% SOC, you have many more options to try and find a working charger.

I totally get that. I’m guessing that, until the charging network can be relied upon, people will have to be conservative. Hopefully it’ll get easier. It’s a nightmare in the UK too, unless of course, you drive a Tesla!

 

[W1NGE]

I am getting more confused. I thought the EA chargers in the US all were 800 volt? If there are EA 150 kW chargers, then surely every Taycan in the US would need the option of the charging upgrade from 400 volt to 800 volt. Else the max a Taycan would get would be 50kW?? As I said I have never charged an ID4 nor have I charged at an EA station.

You seem to be involved in that business and should have the correct information. But I remember an article about ID4 charging from Out of Spec or similar charging an ID4 at EA. Will try to find it because they charged at full rate on an EA charger. Not sure if it was 150 or 350 kW though.

Max charge rate is 125kW (400V architecture)on an ID4.

https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/volkswagen/2021/id-4

 

[tchavei]

Once your Taycan is delivered you can also find the updated pricing per country for the Porsche Charging Service in the My Porsche app. Funnily enough though I could not find the info for Portugal in my app, but screen shot of rates in Spain are below.

You can't find Portugal because...

Pssst

Don't tell anyone, but Porsche hasn't got a EVSE license so they can't sell energy here... Basically you can drive up to their dealership chargers, make a sad bunny face and they'll let you charge for free because they legally can't charge you... Yet

 

[Tooney]

if I feel that I need 100% to make it to the next charger I am charging to 100%.
end of story

+1 !!!

So, 100% will give you 210 miles. If you’re lucky with the traffic, you’ll do that in 3 1/2 hours. Are you really going to drive non-stop for that time? To me, it makes loads of sense to stop every couple of hours, let’s say every 120-130 miles, whatever type of car you’re in. So that’s about 60%. So why wouldn’t you charge from 20% to 80% at each stop? Getting to 100% is likely to take twice as long as getting to the initial 80%. I understand that you need to get to the next charger but how often are you going to be 200 miles away from it. If you are going to continue with your approach, you’d better hope that everyone else doesn’t follow suit otherwise you’ll be queuing for a few hours once you get there!

This all makes perfect sense - until that next charging station you stop at with only 10% SOC is down and not working. With EA in the US, that's a really strong possibility.
When you show up to charge at 40% SOC, you have many more options to try and find a working charger.

+1 !!!

 

[Atipical]

Sometimes when my wife and I go out for dinner, we have to park near the back of the restaurant parking lot when we arrive and it's busy. But on the way out, after a long dinner, the parking lot is almost empty except for our car way at the back. I say to her, "gee, why did we park all the way back there when there's all these empty spots up front?"

Same concept with the ID4 in the 350W spot when all the other ones are empty.

Negative, there were 8 open 150kw stations. I actually checked the app to ensure the 350s were available prior to driving out there. The 2 350kw and 8 150kw stations were all free when I started my 20 minute journey to the station so I know for a fact they were all open. He probably got there 5 minutes before I did. I should've been speeding smh.

 

[DerekS]

Most people will not fully understand what it actually mean or why it is like that. But the ones that do not understand it, will take the cheapest option.

I've seen Tesla people charging at EA with a Supercharger less than a mile away. I asked one of them why, and he said EA is cheaper.

 

[TYKHAAAN]

I've seen Tesla people charging at EA with a Supercharger less than a mile away. I asked one of them why, and he said EA is cheaper.

Yep, significantly. Lots more Teslas have bought the $300 adapter and charging at EA Stations.

 

[Tesla2Taycan]

Is anyone with a MY22 getting more than 150 when charging at a 350kW EA station? Asking to make sure everything is OK with my car or if I should check a checkbox somewhere in settings to get faster charging. For context, my SOC was above 30%

 

[Scandinavian]

How about ex

Is anyone with a MY22 getting more than 150 when charging at a 350kW EA station? Asking to make sure everything is OK with my car or if I should check a checkbox somewhere in settings to get faster charging. For context, my SOC was above 30%

Try to go around 10% - 15% and see.

My guess is that your battery was not preheated to the optimal temperature or the charger itself did not deliver power properly. There are several members that have reported more than 260 kW at EA. In the thread below, most are reported from Europe, but there are a few from US as well.
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/fastest-charge-youve-had.14025/

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