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Hi folks.

Haven't been around lately. Enjoying my Taycan, working, blah blah, blah. Story of my life.

Anyway. Yesterday I went with my wife to another town for lunch. After lunch we had to go to a supermarket and since I knew it had a 60kw charger and I was at 16% I thought I'd charge up while shopping for groceries.

When we got there, there was a car charging already. Bummer. I checked the charger station and the car was at 87% already. I told my wife "let's wait 5 min. Maybe the owner will return in the meanwhile".
After 10 min the charger beeped. I looked at it and the car connection had errored out at 89%. Owner no way to be seen.
Didn't know what I should do but I kinda needed the charge (16% remember) so I unplugged the cable, started the charge on my Taycan (after creatively maneuvering it at a 45 deg angle to get near the charging cable). I wrote a note on a piece of paper stating something like "You car wasn't charging so I took the liberty of charging mine" and left for groceries.

When I returned, car was at 66% and I also now had a paper on my windshield from the other car that had already left. I was expecting some rage text and a keyed car but instead it had written: "Thank you. Sorry for the trouble"

OK that didn't went that bad albeit kinda annoying.

We left that town and drove back. On our way home, wife remembered she wanted to grab something from a mall on our way back so we detoured there.
On arrival I saw another 60kw charger and of course a car was there charging.

So I peeked the charger screen again and guess what? Car was at 97% charge. I told my wife to go grab what she wanted and I stayed next to the charger. The car eventually reached 100% and the charger turned off. Owner, once again, nowhere to be seen. I still had 42% so I didn't really needed the charge but... come on. The charge would have been welcomed... Thought for about 20 seconds, unplugged the other car, started to charge mine. Made sure to close the lid on the other car.

Not sure how much time passed but wife eventually returned and my charge was at 68% so I unplugged and left. In that whole time the owner of the other car that had finished charging didn't show up.

I really don't know what's going on with people. When I charge my car, I'm either around watching or I keep watch on my mobile up. I also avoid charging above 85% so I will move my ass to the car to unplug and remove it when it's charged.

I still felt like a criminal unplugging other people's vehicles. It's not something I like. One day I'll unplug the car of the wrong guy and it'll be a mess.

How would you do it?
If the car is locked I thought the charger couldn’t be removed
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Is the requirement there so that people don't leave their cars once the tank is full or for a safety issue with overfilling etc? I've definitely come across pumps in which the lock was broken or just didn't have one but I'm fairly certain it's not a CA requirement. Otherwise there would be hundreds of gas stations in violation.
No idea but there was a clear correlation to pumps having personnel and "lockable" nozzles and self service pumps without the locks.

Actually, when I go to Spain to fill up wife's car I go to a pump that has staff and the nozzles are lockable. The obvious relation must be employees jumping from pump to pump to fill up tanks so they must leave the nozzle running.

If the car is locked I thought the charger couldn’t be removed
On AC yes (your cable). Not so sure on DC. Both cars were locked (Renault zoe and volkswagen id 3 or 4) and both had the connectors fully unlocked. Not even a button was needed. Basically they fell out as soon as I grabbed the handles. Do keep in mind that neither was actively charging anymore.
 

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Sorry to say that I don’t agree that you have the right to touch with someone else’s property.
If you don’t want your car touched, then don’t be inconsiderate and it leave it past the time you’re done charging.
I’m not saying people should be out there unplugging peoples car as soon as it beeps.
But if you’re past the 10 minute grace period and are nowhere in sight and your charger is the only available option, you’re getting unplugged.

You can call it whatever you like, but if you’re going to be inconsiderate don’t get mad when people then choose to take action to mitigate your bad behavior.
And I get that sometimes people just forget or unforeseen circumstances happen (which is probably what happened with the guy from the OPs story) and guess what? He handled it like a pro, “sorry for the inconvenience “ and kept it moving.
 

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There was an incident of this in the USA where a US Energy Secretary was travelling in an EV for as a public relations stunt, but had her entourage drive ahead and block DC chargers for her with an ICE car. Eventually an EV owner called the cops.
https://insideevs.com/news/686316/us-energy-secretary-staff-blocked-charger-ice-car-ev-road-trip/#:~:text=US Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm,government official's convoy of EVs.

It seems inconsiderate people are everywhere, even at highest levels of government. And yes, if your staff does something you are responsible for it. I didn't see any follow-ups about the staffer who ordered it or the one who executed the ICEing of the EV charger being reprimanded or fired, so obviously she approved of their actions, and since Biden (her boss) didn't publicly reprimand or fire her, he is implicitly approved of her actions. The Democratic party also did not condemn this incident, so we can assume they are no different. So if we don't have courteous behaviors at the highest office of the government (president) of a nation, why should we expect it from its citizens?
I’m not going to get into a back and forth and make a charging post political, but there are extreme levels of irony in this statement.

Does Jan. 6th ring a bell? How about phone calls to the Georgia Secretary of State to “find votes” that sound familiar?
Were any of those actions (and many more —94 if my count is up to date) condemned by the party whose member’s committed those treasonous acts?
Cut the BS and let’s keep it about the cars.
 

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If you don’t want your car touched, then don’t be inconsiderate and it leave it past the time you’re done charging.
I’m not saying people should be out there unplugging peoples car as soon as it beeps.
But if you’re past the 10 minute grace period and are nowhere in sight and your charger is the only available option, you’re getting unplugged.

You can call it whatever you like, but if you’re going to be inconsiderate don’t get mad when people then choose to take action to mitigate your bad behavior.
And I get that sometimes people just forget or unforeseen circumstances happen (which is probably what happened with the guy from the OPs story) and guess what? He handled it like a pro, “sorry for the inconvenience “ and kept it moving.
As mentioned, down to country and customs, each will have their own ‘cause and effects’ of which may have unwanted escalation(s).
 
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I’m not going to get into a back and forth and make a charging post political, but there are extreme levels of irony in this statement.

Does Jan. 6th ring a bell? How about phone calls to the Georgia Secretary of State to “find votes” that sound familiar?
Were any of those actions (and many more —94 if my count is up to date) condemned by the party whose member’s committed those treasonous acts?
Cut the BS and let’s keep it about the cars.
Wow, talk about being defensive of your favorite party. I never said one side of the political isle is better or worse. Just because some politician from another party did something worse, does not excuse the other side behavior. Using your logic, we should excuse people who charge to 100 and stay connected all day because there are worse people in the world. Perhaps we should celebrate people who block EV chargers for not being murderers or rapists, right? :rolleyes:

My point was that if even the current elected leaders would ICE a charger just for their convenience, why should we expect any better from citizens? I never implied voting for Trump would get you any better or worse than Biden - comparing sides would be making it into a political discussion, so a topic for a different forum.
 
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Wow, talk about being defensive of your favorite party. I never said one side of the political isle is better or worse. Just because some politician from another party did something worse, does not excuse the other side behavior. Using your logic, we should excuse people who charge to 100 and stay connected all day because there are worse people in the world. Perhaps we should celebrate people who block EV chargers for not being murderers or rapists, right? :rolleyes:

My point was that if even the current elected leaders would ICE a charger just for their convenience, why should we expect any better from citizens? I never implied voting for Trump would get you any better or worse than Biden - comparing sides would be making it into a political discussion, so a topic for a different forum.
I don’t have a party affiliation, I’m a registered independent. Your comparison was asinine within this context and I was compelled to highlight how hypocritical your statement was.
If you look above my position on people leaving their cars plugged in once done charging has been made clear, but nice try.
Let’s discuss what we all enjoy and leave our political leanings off the board especially when they have no relevance in the discussion. Individuals make poor decisions, their political party , just like their occupation or education level, etc. are likely irrelevant. Especially in this discussion.
 

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I don’t have a party affiliation, I’m a registered independent. Your comparison was asinine within this context and I was compelled to highlight how hypocritical your statement was.
If you look above my position on people leaving their cars plugged in once done charging has been made clear, but nice try.
Let’s discuss what we all enjoy and leave our political leanings off the board especially when they have no relevance in the discussion. Individuals make poor decisions, their political party , just like their occupation or education level, etc. are likely irrelevant. Especially in this discussion.
You are the one bringing in political leanings (e.g. what does Jan 6th have to do with ICEing a charger). I was simply pointing out that blocking EV chargers purely for someone's convenience happens all the way up to the top leaders of our country, hence no surprise citizens do it too.
 


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You are the one bringing in political leanings (e.g. what does Jan 6th have to do with ICEing a charger). I was simply pointing out that blocking EV chargers purely for someone's convenience happens all the way up to the top leaders of our country, hence no surprise citizens do it too.
Pretty big stretch to get to the president didn’t condemn some random actions of an employee that affected probably 2 people. So yeah, you’re the one that brought the politics into this. Y’all make me lol.

My take is don’t be an asshole and block chargers, but OP handled it like a pro. A lot better than I would have for sure.
 

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Pretty big stretch to get to the president didn’t condemn some random actions of an employee that affected probably 2 people. So yeah, you’re the one that brought the politics into this. Y’all make me lol.

My take is don’t be an asshole and block chargers, but OP handled it like a pro. A lot better than I would have for sure.
When it's an employee directly reporting to the highest office in the land, it sets an example, therefore they should be held to a higher standard. People look up to their leaders and say "hey, if it's ok for them to do it, why would it not be ok for me to do the same". Any individual blocking of a single DC charger affects the same number of people, whether it's the Energy Secretary of the United States who didn't feel like waiting for a charger, or someone who wanted free parking while they were shopping. I respect your right to have an opinion that charging etiquette is a non issue because each incident only affects "probably 2 people" as you say. Maybe you use such reasoning to use DC chargers as free parking because you believe it's a non issue since you only affect 2 people, I don't know. I personally think it is an issue while the number of DC chargers is limited out there.
 

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On my return trip from RR7, I stumbled upon this fellow in a Polestar2, who was a copious 67min into overtime. He was (asleep in the car and) hogging one of the 2 working chargers of the 4 there, and the only working 350kW.
Porsche Taycan Charging etiquette. Would you do the same? 1696452100672


The other working charger was in use by someone else, and so I felt the temptation to stop his session (not disconnect) and plug mine in (edit) using the second cable of that station. I decided to wait, though - out of a mix of courtesy and self-preservation (midnight in a 'foreign' town).

Some time later, the other charger became available, and I began charging. Our sleepy driver woke up eventually at around 80min of idling (so a full 2 hours hooked up to that charger), studied the screen above intensely for a minute, and stormed off in the Safeway parking lot - no doubt to recover some of the time lost.
 
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On my return trip from RR7, I stumbled upon this fellow in a Polestar2, who was a copious 67min into overtime. He was (asleep in the car and) hogging one of the 2 working chargers of the 4 there, and the only working 350kW.
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The other working charger was in use by someone else, and so I felt the temptation to stop his session (not disconnect) and plug mine in (edit) using the second cable of that station. I decided to wait, though - out of a mix of courtesy and self-preservation (midnight in a 'foreign' town).

Some time later, the other charger became available, and I began charging. Our sleepy driver woke up eventually at around 80min of idling (so a full 2 hours hooked up to that charger), studied the screen above intensely for a minute, and stormed off in the Safeway parking lot - no doubt to recover some of the time lost.
Come on... You really didn't "accidently" fell on your horn? ?

What a missed opportunity
 
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I was mad and tired, and this possibility didn't occur to me. But I like the way you think ?
I even have multiple excuses prepared

"Oh so sorry, I bumped the horn by mistake while leaving the car. I'm too old for these sport boxes"

"Man, thank God. I thought you were dead or needing medical assistance. I was about to call an ambulance"

"Damn man, saw a bear approaching you car and honked to chase it off. You're really lucky I was around"

Etc etc
 

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On my return trip from RR7, I stumbled upon this fellow in a Polestar2, who was a copious 67min into overtime. He was (asleep in the car and) hogging one of the 2 working chargers of the 4 there, and the only working 350kW.
1696452100672.png


The other working charger was in use by someone else, and so I felt the temptation to stop his session (not disconnect) and plug mine in (edit) using the second cable of that station. I decided to wait, though - out of a mix of courtesy and self-preservation (midnight in a 'foreign' town).

Some time later, the other charger became available, and I began charging. Our sleepy driver woke up eventually at around 80min of idling (so a full 2 hours hooked up to that charger), studied the screen above intensely for a minute, and stormed off in the Safeway parking lot - no doubt to recover some of the time lost.
You are probably the most patient person I've come across. I would have knock on his window to wake him. He'd probably would have thanked me for saving all of $$$ on idle fees.
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