Gen 1 vs Gen 1.5 differences

[ze_shark]

Other than the known high level bla bla on feature and spec changes, what do we know about the BOM differences between Taycan Gen 1 and the Gen 1.5 2024 facelift as far as unreliable Gen 1 components or sub-systems are concerned ?

Are there founded expectations that the litany of Gen 1 problems has been addressed, or is it going to be more of the same ?

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[Scott Allen]

I’m not sure what litany of problems you are referring to. On this forum you hear all issues no matter how prevalent or meaningful.

I’ve had my 2020 Turbo since July 2020 and have had zero issues.

 

[amelen]

I have a 2021 Turbo, also no issues.

 

[Persuader]

Same. I have June 2020 4S from new. No issues apart from a rattle from the door card which the dealer cured.

 

[FlyingPoint]

I owned a MY21 RWD since new. One minor connectivity issue in 3yrs and 30k miles. Other than the recalls for preventative issues and upgrades to software, it was problem free. Hopefully, I have the same good fortune with my recently acquired new MY24 4S.

 

[KLHubb]

I have owned an early 2020 4S build since new, and have had no problems save those of my own making.

 

[Caraholic]

I would hope they are fixed but I don’t have high hopes of that.

 

[ze_shark]

"I had no issues with my own car" so problems do not exist ?
I do not come to the same conclusion reading this forum and facebook groups. The variety of severe problems on Taycan Gen 1 is real, and reflected in its somber reputation in the official dealer network, disastrous residuals, etc ...
I think that pretending the contrary is denial. Or confusing stats with merit.

Yellow battery failure, red battery failure resulting from module failure, AC or DC charging gremlins or failure.
HVAC failures.
Drive train/diff failures.
Ominous factoids are everywhere, such as this 46% failure stat.

The question here is how much Gen 1.5 truly differs from Gen 1, or whether it is a Gen 1 with a new battery pack, new damping system and slightly revamped infotainment software.

 

[KLHubb]

I would love to have plug and charge, that's missing on my 2020 4S

 

[PSUEric]

2024 CT4 with 7,000 miles and no issues. Can’t wipe the smile off my face every time I drive it!

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

If the following is your view:

"I had no issues with my own car" so problems do not exist ?
I do not come to the same conclusion reading this forum and facebook groups. The variety of severe problems on Taycan Gen 1 is real, and reflected in its somber reputation in the official dealer network, disastrous residuals, etc ...
I think that pretending the contrary is denial. Or confusing stats with merit.

Yellow battery failure, red battery failure resulting from module failure, AC or DC charging gremlins or failure.
HVAC failures.
Drive train/diff failures.
Ominous factoids are everywhere, such as this 46% failure stat.

..then would you really believe Gen 1.5 to be truly different/better?

The question here is how much Gen 1.5 truly differs from Gen 1, or whether it is a Gen 1 with a new battery pack, new damping system and slightly revamped infotainment software.

Yes. (sic)

You asked a rhetorical question, and a number of nice folks bothered to share their fault-free experience (which, incidentally, matches mine). What did you expect? Also, I find that a poll works better in this case.

 

[ze_shark]

My question was:

"what do we know about the BOM differences between Taycan Gen 1 and the Gen 1.5 2024 facelift as far as unreliable Gen 1 components or sub-systems are concerned ?"

I appreciate the replies, but claiming that such issues do not exist because some, fortunately, have not experienced them, defies statistics.

A severe, tow-inducing problem affecting 10% of cars is astoundingly bad, yet 9 persons out of 10 would say it is non-existent because they did not experience it ?

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

My question was:

"what do we know about the BOM differences between Taycan Gen 1 and the Gen 1.5 2024 facelift as far as unreliable Gen 1 components or sub-systems are concerned ?"

Your question was disingenuous, because the delta BOM alone would not answer the question whether those replacement components are better. Could you have predicted Taycan the 1st's litany of problems just by looking at went in it?

I appreciate the replies, but claiming that such issues do not exist because some, fortunately, have not experienced them, defies statistics.

No, we did not claim problems do not exist. The problem with stats is that they're cumulative - there were numerous distinct issues affecting the Taycan model, but (probably) very few cars suffering from all of them. (Although a few unfortunate souls did go through, for instance, both heater and battery failures.) Another thing is that people usually come to forums to complain, so unreliability stats compiled on forum posts are skewed.

A severe, tow-inducing problem affecting 10% of cars is astoundingly bad, yet 9 persons out of 10 would say it is non-existent because they did not experience it ?

Are you saying 1 in 10 Taycans have experienced a disabling failure? Can you share your sources?

In any case, I only meant to say that if you have such a dim view of the car, it's unreasonable to expect a vast improvement with a mid-cycle refresh. They seem to have focused on functional improvements - range, power - over robustness/quality.

 

[RacingDuck]

Well at least for the 22 kW charger it seems like they are working on getting a more reliable part, as the option is currently not available.

The heater issue should also be fixed for good.

 

[ze_shark]

Your question was disingenuous, because the delta BOM alone would not answer the question whether those replacement components are better. Could you have predicted Taycan the 1st's litany of problems just by looking at went in it?

It is not disingenuous. The only way that Porsche can fix a weak/problematic design is by changing the part, and segregation of inventories would probably result in a new SKU. If your argument is that this redesign undertaking may not succeed, it flies in the face of the argument that there is no problem to begin with.

No, we did not claim problems do not exist. The problem with stats is that they're cumulative - there were numerous distinct issues affecting the Taycan model, but (probably) very few cars suffering from all of them. (Although a few unfortunate souls did go through, for instance, both heater and battery failures.) Another thing is that people usually come to forums to complain, so unreliability stats compiled on forum posts are skewed.

All model-specific forums are like that, and it is not that difficult to tell the difference between isolated problems and epidemic issues, and epidemic issues of towing severity, or of weeks in the shop severity.

Are you saying 1 in 10 Taycans have experienced a disabling failure? Can you share your sources?

No, my illustration only aims to point out how "i had no problems so what are you talking about" is not useful and statisically ridiculous. If only one respondant out of 10 would report having had an issue of that severity, it would still be abysmally bad.

In any case, I only meant to say that if you have such a dim view of the car, it's unreasonable to expect a vast improvement with a mid-cycle refresh. They seem to have focused on functional improvements - range, power - over robustness/quality.

I would not be on the verge of purchasing a 180k$ car if thought the Taycan is a lost cause, but all indicators still point to a problematic incumbent version. I am not trolling, i am researching specific points.

I also hope that you are incorrect. VW Group's entry in BEVs has been very mixed. MEB software issues (I do not know about MEB hardware reliability). Taycan is notorious for Gen 1 issues hardware and software issues, as well as catastrophic residuals which are probably in large part related. The official dealer network behaviour reflects this. Sad outcome for what is arguably a commercial success.

So if Porsche limited their efforts to battery/suspension/facia, I would really question buying this car.

I do not know of a better way to answer that question than a BOM comparison for critical assemblies, but maybe someone has other insights ?

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