Practical range with Performance+ battery is 200km?

[Ktof]

• Battery capacity is 94KWh
• You CAN only charge up to 83,7 KWh (but paying +/- 95Kwh including overhead)
• You SHOULD only charge 85% (explicit Porsche recommendation), which leave you with 74,14KWh
• You WILL only drive it to min 5% (explicit Porsche "charge immediately!") warning), which leaves you with 69,96KWh to drive

• you will consume between 25 and 35Kwh
  • 20-25 is record braking driving style (not applicable)
  • 25 is driving it like a minivan
  • 30 is driving it well
  • 35 is driving it like a Porsche
  • 35-40 is record braking driving style (or autobahn)

So, conclusion: if you bought a Porsche to drive it like a Porsche, you will charge at most every 200kms driving long range.

(100% charge = 300/310kms indication)
(e.g. Trip Belgium Italie can be done in 8hours - with Taycan 12hours without fun - 17hours with fun Porsche experience.
Note that fast chargers are only fast up to 50% & drop death after 85%. So, on holiday highway, you will only load between 15-75% = +/- 150kms)

I love the car, but potential buyers should be informed correctly. You can confirm or say my car is flawed

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[smoothound]

Most of my trips are far less than 150km. So 90-95% of the time, I will drive it like I stole it between charges (where conditions allow) - range is unimportant.

On the rare occasions when I plan to do longer trips 100% charge is OK - and driving on motorways is not 'fun driving' anyway so for those rare occasions I will drive it like a mini-van. So for perhaps 5-10% of the time - I will cruise at a gentle and stress free pace between driving-fun destinations on motorways. no pressure to speed.

In summary, you don't have to drive it in fun-mode all the time - time and place for everything.

And trying to drive the tyres off the car on motorways with heavy slow traffic will be stressful and can cost a lot in speeding fines - so why bother?

Save the fun for the track and shorter trips on country lanes etc.

Perhaps this only applies to me?

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[Swissbob]

• Battery capacity is 94KWh
• You CAN only charge up to 83,7 KWh (but paying +/- 95Kwh including overhead)
• You SHOULD only charge 85% (explicit Porsche recommendation), which leave you with 74,14KWh
• You WILL only drive it to min 5% (explicit Porsche "charge immediately!") warning), which leaves you with 69,96KWh to drive

• you will consume between 25 and 35Kwh
  • 20-25 is record braking driving style (not applicable)
  • 25 is driving it like a minivan
  • 30 is driving it well
  • 35 is driving it like a Porsche
  • 35-40 is record braking driving style (or autobahn)

So, conclusion: if you bought a Porsche to drive it like a Porsche, you will charge at most every 200kms driving long range.

(100% charge = 300/310kms indication)
(e.g. Trip Belgium Italie can be done in 8hours - with Taycan 12hours without fun - 17hours with fun Porsche experience.
Note that fast chargers are only fast up to 50% & drop death after 85%. So, on holiday highway, you will only load between 15-75% = +/- 150kms)

I love the car, but potential buyers should be informed correctly. You can confirm or say my car is flawed

How can you only be averaging 30kWh on motorways? I think I averaged more like 22kWh between Switzerland and Scotland with a full car and roofbox and charging from 10-80% took around 15 minutes.

 

[Ktof]

How can you only be averaging 30kWh on motorways? I think I averaged more like 22kWh between Switzerland and Scotland with a full car and roofbox and charging from 10-80% took around 15 minutes.

After 12.000kms, my average is 27.5KWh @61kmph... not loaded, no rooftop, but 21".

Below 38,2 is autobahn / 31,5 is mixed autobahn & regular highway

 

[McgR]

I have done some longer trips. It wasn’t too difficult to get this numbers. I was driving in normal mode and normal AC settings. Some longer parts 130-135 km/h in France (the 195 km average 105 km/h part). 20 inch wheels 4 persons and a dog. 23 degrees outside.

For longer trips and multiple chargers I would take max 300 km when leaving fully charged and preconditioned and then indeed 10 SoC to 85 SoC = 75 % battery.

 

[B61]

After 12.000kms, my average is 27.5KWh... not loaded, no rooftop, but 21".

CT4, 14.678km, avg.speed: 49km/h, avg.cons.: 21,5 kwh/100 km, not loaded, no rooftop, 21" (summer), 20" (winter).

 

[Scandinavian]

• Battery capacity is 94KWh
• You CAN only charge up to 83,7 KWh (but paying +/- 95Kwh including overhead)
• You SHOULD only charge 85% (explicit Porsche recommendation), which leave you with 74,14KWh
• You WILL only drive it to min 5% (explicit Porsche "charge immediately!") warning), which leaves you with 69,96KWh to drive

• you will consume between 25 and 35Kwh
  • 20-25 is record braking driving style (not applicable)
  • 25 is driving it like a minivan
  • 30 is driving it well
  • 35 is driving it like a Porsche
  • 35-40 is record braking driving style (or autobahn)

So, conclusion: if you bought a Porsche to drive it like a Porsche, you will charge at most every 200kms driving long range.

(100% charge = 300/310kms indication)
(e.g. Trip Belgium Italie can be done in 8hours - with Taycan 12hours without fun - 17hours with fun Porsche experience.
Note that fast chargers are only fast up to 50% & drop death after 85%. So, on holiday highway, you will only load between 15-75% = +/- 150kms)

I love the car, but potential buyers should be informed correctly. You can confirm or say my car is flawed

I can confirm your observations! A recent trip on the German autobahn at high speeds on the 21st May, but broken up by long roadwork stretches, meant that about 200 km is the practical range. I normally charged from 10 or 12% to about 80 - 85% Soc. Motorway speeds could be well over 180 km/h and then roadworks so avaerage of 120 km/h is the result.

Overall consumption for a total trip of 6900 km’s was 24.1 kWh/100 km. And I believe the Porsche spec was for 25.5 kWh/100km. So well within the promised spec overall.
But would have loved longer range to skip a few of these charging stops.

2020 Turbo with 21 inch wheels, no roofbox and only two persons with some luggage.

 

[Archimedes]

Charge to 100 when needed and you’ll get 210-250 miles depending upon temps and driving style. I’ve done a 220 mile (350km) run with 18 miles leftover to spare, and that was in sport mode, fast highway driving, with the AC on.

 

[Swissbob]

Charge to 100 when needed and you’ll get 210-250 miles depending upon temps and driving style. I’ve done a 220 mile (350km) run with 18 miles leftover to spare, and that was in sport mode, fast highway driving, with the AC on.

Doesn’t work so well on a road trip though as above 80% the charging does slow down considerably. I was getting from 10 to 80% in 15 minutes but over 30 to get to 100%.

 

[Archimedes]

So maybe this thread should be titled Road Trip Range?

 

[kort]

• Battery capacity is 94KWh
• You CAN only charge up to 83,7 KWh (but paying +/- 95Kwh including overhead)
• You SHOULD only charge 85% (explicit Porsche recommendation), which leave you with 74,14KWh
• You WILL only drive it to min 5% (explicit Porsche "charge immediately!") warning), which leaves you with 69,96KWh to drive

• you will consume between 25 and 35Kwh
  • 20-25 is record braking driving style (not applicable)
  • 25 is driving it like a minivan
  • 30 is driving it well
  • 35 is driving it like a Porsche
  • 35-40 is record braking driving style (or autobahn)

So, conclusion: if you bought a Porsche to drive it like a Porsche, you will charge at most every 200kms driving long range.

(100% charge = 300/310kms indication)
(e.g. Trip Belgium Italie can be done in 8hours - with Taycan 12hours without fun - 17hours with fun Porsche experience.
Note that fast chargers are only fast up to 50% & drop death after 85%. So, on holiday highway, you will only load between 15-75% = +/- 150kms)

I love the car, but potential buyers should be informed correctly. You can confirm or say my car is flawed

your understanding of how to plan and drive the car on road trips is flawed, the car is fine.

if you will be taking a long trip there is nothing wrong with charging the car to 100%. if you are able to travel a route with well spaced chargers you do not need to suffer through the slow charge speeds at the higher SOC, it is called driving the bottom of the battery and if you can manage the trip with less than 200km distances between charges your charging sessions will be a lot shorter in time.

 

[fullmetalbaal]

I think it should have been "charging beyond 85% is often impractical on road trips".
Also, IMHO it should be : "driving past 10% is often impractical" - because you'd have to have a charging point at exactly the right distance, and/or safe fallbacks when the consumption was higher than expected.

Note that this isn't Taycan specific. I've put >40K miles on several different EVs, and on road trips I don't expect to use more than 60-70% of the available capacity. It just doesn't work that way in practice.

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