Questions from a Tesla Owner

[Raphie]

Are we still having this conversation? Tesla - anonymous Alixpress design plastic/cardboard sexless utility car. Taycan - Pure sex on wheels….

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[mjw930]

Back in January 2021, when I had a 4S loaner Car for a month while my Spyder was trapped in port hold hell the dealership, knowing we already had a Model 3P, was honestly curious for comparison. They were very new to the EV space at that time and wanted to understand how to relate to Tesla owners. I summed up the experience in one sentence:

A Tesla is an iPad with 4 wheels, a Taycan is a Porsche sport sedan with an electric motor.

For many people there’s no reason to take the discussion any further. Or better yet, if I have to explain then you wouldn’t understand. And yes, I drank the Porsche cool aid way back in 1976.

 

[philbur]

Tesla is an American car
Taycan is a Swiss watch

 

[texasbryan]

Tesla is an American car
Taycan is a Swiss watch

Or maybe the analogy should be...Telsa is an Apple Watch, Taycan a Swiss watch.

 

[Raphie]

Or maybe the analogy should be...Telsa is an Apple Watch, Taycan a Swiss watch.

Nah… Tesla is not Apple, more Xiaomi…

 

[f1eng]

Or maybe the analogy should be...Telsa is an Apple Watch, Taycan a Swiss watch.

That analogy works for me.

I hated my Apple Watch’s touch face making unwanted selections every time I slid my sleeve back to look at it.
I gave it away and wear a normal watch again.

Pretty well none of the Apple Watch functions over and above telling the time were of critical interest to me.

Pretty well none of the non-car aspects of the Taycan are of critical interest to me either, over and above being a great car to drive and also quiet and comfortable on long runs.

I haven’t bothered to connect to CarPlay at all and chose not to get any of the driver override options when I ordered it.

I am happy as Larry with the Taycan and disliked everything about the Tesla human interface when I looked into one, though it had some other appealing features.

I am not a Luddite though, I wrote my first software that earned me money in 1971/2.

 

[Zcd1]

Can anyone comment on the rear passenger leg room compared to a Model 3 and/or a Model S?

How annoying is it to not have a dedicated Porsche supercharger network compared to Tesla's?


Thanks!

Model 3 has the most accommodating back seat.

Taycan’s is constricted, Model S’s seat is too low.

Every non-Tesla fast-charging system in the US is demonstrably, vastly poorer than the Supercharger network.

 

[LXSC]

I've owned since 2012:

• Model S P85
• Model S P85D
• Model X P90D
• Model X P100D
• Model 3P
• Tesla Model Y AWD

I miss none of them vs. my Taycan

the Taycan is a tight quick awesome sports sedan - more like a 911 with a rear seat than a sporty Model S
Model S's space/cargo/cabin space is on another level vs. Taycan (Model S is better)
but every time I turn the wheel or touch the brake peddle in the Taycan I know which car is better and it's the Taycan
everytime I touch the screen in the Taycan I know which car is better - the Tesla
and everytime I fast charge with the CCS network I miss the supercharger network - but it works, but rarely without some extra effort.
When the CCS/EA network "works" it's better faster than I _EVER_ experienced with my Tesla's - but it rarely works and most of hte time you do not get optimal charge rates
but it's never "stranded" me - but sometimes it tries really really hard - doesn't matter I don't fast charge very often.

if you want a driver's EV the Taycan win's hands down
if you want a practical large sedan with excellent acceleration and a world class fast charging network Tesla is hard to beat.

I also have a Owned.

P85 Model S
P85-D Model S
P100D- 2 of them Model-S
Now - ModelS - Dual motor performance.

2 Model X's which I gave to my daughter and son. P90Ds Blue bad Red.

certainly different. Cannot be compared with that Taycan Mechanical.

The software wise Tesla is far advanced than any EV in the world.
Especially the new FSD. is superb

Should not Compare.

 

[Orwell]

We have a Lucid in our family, does that count?

What's all the hype about tech? In the Lucid, I'm too focused on driving to play with any of the functions. The Taycan has CarPlay...the tech is good enough lol. Yes, the cameras need to be better. Cameras are supposed to used as aids anyway--look over you shoulder, turn your head, know your car better, or learn how to drive. Take FSD and innodrive elsewhere. You're supposed to drive a Porsche, not the other way around.

To the OP, I'll add one more thing. The Taycan has a brake pedal you actually use.

Yeah, for my first electric car, I did not cross shop with a Tesla, but with Lucid, Rivian, Merc.

Having driven each tesla model (incl. roadster), but owning none of them, the interior size of my incoming Taycan matches my experience of the interior space of a Tesla Model 3--including your original presenting issue, the rear seat leg room.

The Taycan driving experience feels like nothing else. I look for excuses to be driving the Taycan. I don't recall having such a strong feeling for a car since my last 911.

 

[artdept]

Tesla is an American car
Taycan is a Swiss watch

i think switch watches are more reliable. and once you by them you are done. No ridiculously priced maintenance.

 

[bluedonkey]

The software question is a tough one. Porsche (and legacy car manufacturers in general) have a lot to learn about how to build a connected car. The software that doesn't need a connection in the Taycan (like the main driver display) is rock solid, clear and faultless so far. The infotainment system is fine as long as it has a perfect connection. As soon as the connection is not there, or weak, it struggles.

My garage has no Verizon signal (in the US, Taycans are on the Verizon network), so it wakes up disconnected and then goes into a long "loading" process which invariably seems to end up with some things being forgotten. It is as if they store state in the cloud, and nothing locally, so when the cloud connection is down it basically forgets all its previous state.

Tesla have a much, much better handle on how to manage a massive network of connected vehicles, on what is basically an unreliable network. But, they have their own issue with UX - the Taycan has easy to reach controls for all the essential functions, with no menus needed. Yes, there is voice control in both, but it is often more frustrating than a simple tap of a button!

Also, Tesla is not without s/w issues. The M3 we rented in Hawaii started up with the map doing all kinds of weird things (zooming in and out, spinning around on its own) and the owner (it was a Turo rental) said he sees it sometimes and just resets the computer when it happens. I've seen others report issues with random wiper operations, also fixed by a reset.

I've worked in embedded software for my whole career; bugs are expected, and I don't hold that against either company. Where Porsche are behind is in the amount of time it takes them to fix those bugs. At this point in the Taycan's lifecycle there should not be issues relating to connectivity being unreliable, nor should bugs reported in 2020/21, by many users, still be present.

 

[tchavei]

Back in my masters (many years ago), in a mobile programing class, my teacher set rule #1 for mobile app development: connection is sparse and unreliable. Learn to build anything around this permissive.

Guess someone skipped those classes at Porsche

 

[juergenhr]

We bought a 4S used in Austin and drove it home to Virginia. Had several charging problems. Mississippi is not EV friendly (except Tesla). Electrify America was good except they had a station listed in a Sheetz that was inaccessible due to major construction at the station. Should not have been on the list as available. Got down to 8 miles left at one point. Had to use Nissan dealer and Porsche dealer once. Return trip took a day longer than planned due to charging issues (not the cars problem). The deep south is not ready for prime time. There are alternat chargers available such as EVGo, but only Electrify America has the 150kv and 350kv chargers as far as I know.

 

[bluedonkey]

We bought a 4S used in Austin and drove it home to Virginia. Had several charging problems. Mississippi is not EV friendly (except Tesla). Electrify America was good except they had a station listed in a Sheetz that was inaccessible due to major construction at the station. Should not have been on the list as available. Got down to 8 miles left at one point. Had to use Nissan dealer and Porsche dealer once. Return trip took a day longer than planned due to charging issues (not the cars problem). The deep south is not ready for prime time. There are alternat chargers available such as EVGo, but only Electrify America has the 150kv and 350kv chargers as far as I know.

EVgo have some 100kW, 200kW and new 350kW ones too in some locations, but a lot of their earlier ones were 50kW units. Not many in Virginia yet (I see 6 when I filter for 100kW or more), but there are a lot in DC - map is showing 76 100kW or better units there. Chargepoint are also installing 350kW units now, adding to their network of DC chargers.

In a pinch, a 50kW unit is not bad; you can either get lunch/dinner while it charges, or spend 15-20 mins there and get enough to get you to the next faster one.

 

[Scandinavian]

The software is a hideous mess and total garbage! Have I been clear enough on this point? T junk software in the car is total and utter garbage!

Where are you living? The Taycan SW is a total mess compared to a Tesla.
I have now for the third time lost all of my favourites in the Porsche app, navigator and thePorsche web site. And nobody can say why it has disappeared?

Navigator sends me to a Shell Recharge with 3% charge and She’ll is not part of Porsche Charginh]g Service.

Navigator sends me down a road with stairs. And through some barriers!

Brilliant SW!

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