150kw option?

[Windpower]

what is still unknown at this time is ... what the maximum charge rate will be via any adapter

400v at 150kw is 375 amps..
400v at 50kw is 125 amps.
The Teslatap adapter handles 80 amps at the max. So I can see a 125 amp plug in adapter for the Tesla super charger.
It's tough to see a plug in adapter handling 375 amps, though I guess its possible.

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[schad]

what is still unknown at this time is that if/when Tesla Superchargers are made open - what the maximum charge rate will be via any adapter - _IF_ Tesla's adapter only supports 50 kW - your 400V/150kW (or my 400V/150 kW) on board Taycan charger will continue to be useless…{sigh}

Limiting non-Tesla vehicles to 50kW at SCs and blaming it on the adapter is a very Elon thing to do.

If his primary concern were actually to increase EV adoption -- and not to get government subsidies for Tesla -- he'd figure out a way to get 125-150kW, which would be enough to allow the vast majority of current non-Tesla EVs to charge at full speed.

But, to be fair, the physical constraints of a passively-cooled adapter might impose some legitimate charge rate limitations.

 

[bosbruce]

unless it's a 800V 150 kW charger in which case you can/should charge at more than 50 kW - the problem is there is no way for the average person to know ahead of time if a given charger location is 400V or 800V - it's not something advertised/specified as part of the charging location's data…

Hi Dave, (PS, a fellow former Tesla/Bolt owner still with my 2000 Boxster S ) I'm about to order my Taycan 4S and don't want this option if it is useless as it appears despite anecdotal data point from dealer stating charging is slower without (no info on SoC, temp, etc so not so useful).

Can you give me any pointers to the data you seem so convinced of but I haven't been able to dig up myself (even after online chat and phone calls to Electrify America)

Thanks for any pointers!

 

[daveo4EV]

Hi Dave, (PS, a fellow former Tesla/Bolt owner still with my 2000 Boxster S ) I'm about to order my Taycan 4S and don't want this option if it is useless as it appears despite anecdotal data point from dealer stating charging is slower without (no info on SoC, temp, etc so not so useful).

Can you give me any pointers to the data you seem so convinced of but I haven't been able to dig up myself (even after online chat and phone calls to Electrify America)

Thanks for any pointers!

Both EVGo and Chargepoint have 400/500V stations that do more than 50 kW - and then there is the Tesla Supercharger network…which is 400V by definition and they have announced plans to open it to non-Tesla's (already being done in Europe, but they do not have the physical connector hurdle we have in North America).

If you want to save the $460 go ahead - it's not my money. But I'm happy i got the option and it's literally the cheapest option in the Taycan's list of option.

 

[OTPSkipper]

If you want to drop the 150Kw/400v option, you can commiserate with me if Elon bothers to make it relevant. I pulled it out just before my options were locked down. Politically blocked technology never happens was my reasoning.

 

[NewPdude]

Lots of discussion about this option on this board, but much of it is from last year or before. The EV world changes fast (and I have a lock date coming up), so I have a few questions.

Has anyone actually seen any chargers in the United States where one would benefit from having this option? The consensus seems to be no, but that they hypothetically could exist.

Is it a fact that upgrading to this option will give you access to Tesla superchargers if they open up? Does the base system work with with Tesla destination charges?

For what it is worth, I live in Florida and there are chargers everywhere. I plan on charging primarily at home and do not often do road trips. I don't mind spending the money to add this, I am just nervous it may extend my delivery date. I do not want to add it for "hypothetical utility."

lots of info at the you tube sight by ”state of charge” “How to charge the Porsche Taycan : deep dive”…. basically there are no chargers in North America that are 400 volts that have more than 50KWH charging capability…. So its a useless add on… hope this helps

 

[daveo4EV]

lots of info at the you tube sight by ”state of charge” “How to charge the Porsche Taycan : deep dive”…. basically there are no chargers in North America that are 400 volts that have more than 50KWH charging capability…. So its a useless add on… hope this helps

other than the 29,000 stall 400V Supercharger network - which will be available via an adapter at some point…once there is ad adapter - book - 29,000 separate stalls available _NONE_ of which are less than 72 kW, and most are 150/250 kW stalls…

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/a-closer-look-at-teslas-supercharging-network-and-expansion-plans

The Supercharger network has grown steadily from around 1,500 stations in Q1’19 to over 3,250 stations as of Q3’21, and the number of connectors, which indicates the number of vehicles that can be charged simultaneously, has expanded from 13k to 29k over the same period.

but yeah - save the $460 on a $150,000 vehicle - it's not my money.

 

[bosbruce]

other than the 29,000 stall 400V Supercharger network - which will be available via an adapter at some point…once there is ad adapter - book - 29,000 separate stalls available _NONE_ of which are less than 72 kW, and most are 150/250 kW stalls…

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/a-closer-look-at-teslas-supercharging-network-and-expansion-plans



but yeah - save the $460 on a $150,000 vehicle - it's not my money.

It is any individual's decision for sure; I chose not to order it because we have no evidence Tesla will ever allow more than 50kw charging for non Tesla vehicles, we have no timelines for Tesla opening up, and we don't even know if they will only open up chargers built with government funding vs existing chargers. That and existing Tesla chargers share power between stalls so any real gain would only be with an empty neighbor anyway... If I was going to be doing a lot of long distance traveling, instead of choosing this option I'd choose a model S despite the stupid yoke.

 

[DerekS]

Mine was specced with it by the dealer.

Coming back from Porsche Palozza in AR, I went through Oklahoma and used a Francis Energy charger that warned me charging would be limited to 50kW, but was actually around 100kW.

I will always wonder if I actually utilized the 150kW option that day...

 

[DerekS]

I found my receipt for it!

If my math is right, it looks like my charging rate was around 124kW to dispense 64.49 kWh in 52 mins.

Station Info
Charging Details
Energy Usage : 64.49kWh
Start Time : 2021-11-14 14:49:57 UTC
End Time : 2021-11-14 15:42:07 UTC
Duration : 00:52:10(HH:MM:SS)
Rate : $0.32/Min
TotalCost : $17.69
Station Id : FS-HP-20883
Charger Type : DC
Max Power : 480kWh
Connector Type : CCS1
Organization Name : Francis Energy
Connector Id : Port-1
Location : 300 S Dewey Ave Wagoner OK 74467

 

[DavidG]

I found my receipt for it!

If my math is right, it looks like my charging rate was around 124kW to dispense 64.49 kWh in 52 mins.

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Charging Details
Station Info
Energy Usage : 64.49kWh
Start Time : 2021-11-14 14:49:57 UTC
End Time : 2021-11-14 15:42:07 UTC
Duration : 00:52:10(HH:MM:SS)
Rate : $0.32/Min
TotalCost : $17.69
Station Id : FS-HP-20883
Charger Type : DC
Max Power : 480kWh
Connector Type : CCS1
Organization Name : Francis Energy
Connector Id : Port-1
Location : 300 S Dewey Ave Wagoner OK 74467

My maths make it about 75kw.

 

[gnop1950]

I added it to my order. I mean $460 to possibly expand my high-speed charging network by 10s of thousands of chargers is a bargain. Telsa is already opening up its charging network in Europe. It is free money for Elon, with possible subsidies from the government, so why wouldn't Tesla eventually open up their charging network. If they don't, well $460 is way down in the noise level when spending this kind of money on a car.

 

[Jhenson29]

I mean $460 to possibly expand my high-speed charging network by 10s of thousands of chargers is a bargain.

To be clear, your charging network would be expanded regardless. Not optioning the 150kW upgrade doesn’t preclude anyone from using the (potentially) opened up Tesla charging stations. It just allows you to charge faster if the charging station supports it (generally, for non-Tesla cars, and at the time of use depending on capacity).

I’m not arguing against it for those who want it. But want to be clear about what’s actually (potentially) gained.

 

[DerekS]

My maths make it about 75kw.

I'm not good at math (odd for a software guy but true.)

I found my checkin on plugshare for this charge, it appears the car indicated 97kW while charging.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/232415

I am going to choose to believe I got to use the 400 volt 150kW option for once

 

[daveb3473]

Question for those knowledgeable in the UK.. for my forthcoming CT4, do I need the 150Kw option to benefit from any of the superfast charging stations in the UK, or will the Taycan charge at upto 270kW anyway. It would help a lot if I need to spec this option or not to get fast charging in the UK motorway network.

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