Facelift - will any efficiency benefits find their way to existing Taycan?

[ct4s]

Seen some videos showing the likely excellent range of the facelift Taycan.
It may well have a bigger battery but of more interest is the probable much improved miles per kWH.
Is there any info on whether some benefits may trickle down to current Taycan’s through a software update perhaps in 2024?

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[Crazymind]

Highly doubt it.

 

[007]

I’m expecting a range decrease and more fatal software errors in the next update to help us all upgrade to the new facelift.

 

[chun]

The improved miles per hour, and some of the range come from: more aerodynamic lights; 19 inch wheels with EV cover for max efficency, slightly redesigned front bumper, back bumper with airvents. And ofcourse; almost 15-20 bigger % battery.

So all "hardware". Probably 0 to none software improvements related to Efficiency

 

[daveo4EV]

Seen some videos showing the likely excellent range of the facelift Taycan.
It may well have a bigger battery but of more interest is the probable much improved miles per kWH.
Is there any info on whether some benefits may trickle down to current Taycan’s through a software update perhaps in 2024?

doubtful - I believe most/all of the changes are "hardware" and not software - I'd be highly dubious of any changes

the _ONLY_ possible change I could see making it's way to the current gen1 Taycan fleet would be an adjustment of "usable" battery capacity via an dealer/service update - that's enforced by software - so it would be possible - if Porsche decided to support it - that they could change the usable portion of the battery from 84.3 kWh to say 89.5 kWh (number picked at random) increaseing "range" because now you can use more of the battery - but you still would not gain any "efficiency" improves that are due to better EV drive train…

my current Taycan at 38,000 miles shows a life time average of 3 miles/kWh - with 84.3 kWh "usable" that makes my Taycan a 252 mile EV - this is consistent iwth my real world experience

_IF_ porsche gave me say 89.5 kWh "usable" my Taycan's range would be 268 miles which would be an improvement but not as much as we're seeing with the new facelift…

I would plan on NONE of the new Taycan changes coming to the existing fleet…

 

[Cabblock]

doubtful - I believe most/all of the changes are "hardware" and not software - I'd be highly dubious of any changes

the _ONLY_ possible change I could see making it's way to the current gen1 Taycan fleet would be an adjustment of "usable" battery capacity via an dealer/service update - that's enforced by software - so it would be possible - if Porsche decided to support it - that they could change the usable portion of the battery from 84.3 kWh to say 89.5 kWh (number picked at random) increaseing "range" because now you can use more of the battery - but you still would not gain any "efficiency" improves that are due to better EV drive train…

my current Taycan at 38,000 miles shows a life time average of 3 miles/kWh - with 84.3 kWh "usable" that makes my Taycan a 252 mile EV - this is consistent iwth my real world experience

_IF_ porsche gave me say 89.5 kWh "usable" my Taycan's range would be 268 miles which would be an improvement but not as much as we're seeing with the new facelift…

I would plan on NONE of the new Taycan changes coming to the existing fleet…

I agree. A software update is possible if Porsche decides that a 10,5% buffer (in the PB+ 93.7 kWh bruto and 83.7 kWh netto or 79.2 kWh bruto vs 71.0 kWh netto in the PB) is no longer needed in existing vehicles. The new Macan EV has 100 kWh bruto and 95 kWh netto, so 95% usable. I guess the Taycan facelift has a PB+ with 105-106 kWh bruto and 100 kWh netto. The BMW i5 has only 3 % buffer: 83.9 kWh bruto and 81.2 kWh netto.
Taken into account that most of our cars now have a SoH of say 95% or even less after 10-20.000 miles, one can not expect a real upgrade to 89 or 90 kWh in the PB+ unless it is a new MY 2024 car with no mileage. It will rather be the initial 83.7 kWh that can be « restored » in batterypacks of existing cars in a « best case scenario ». I am not convinced that Porsche has invested in testing this possibility so my guess is that it will remain theory: there will be no software update at all to reduce buffer capacity in pre-facelift cars.

Another software upgrade that would be nice and possible is the new screen lay-out of the curved dashboard. Only possible if no hardware changes. Wait and see …

 

[jld1]

If they could update us to Android Automotive OS, that would be great.

 

[DougFrisk]

The improved miles per hour, and some of the range come from: more aerodynamic lights; 19 inch wheels with EV cover for max efficency, slightly redesigned front bumper, back bumper with airvents. And ofcourse; almost 15-20 bigger % battery.

So all "hardware". Probably 0 to none software improvements related to Efficiency

But, there will be new NF0 EV specific tires available.

 

[chun]

If they could update us to Android Automotive OS, that would be great.

The only way that would be offered would be via a retro fit; which they may or may not do, like they do with the 22kw charger. Since it would come with a new computer unit.
If they would do it, I would for sure buy it. But probably not.

I do hope they do keep updating the PCM tho`, so we get at least support for the latest version of apple carplay, and the new UI from the facelift for battery / etc.

 

[jld1]

The only way that would be offered would be via a retro fit; which they may or may not do, like they do with the 22kw charger. Since it would come with a new computer unit.
If they would do it, I would for sure buy it. But probably not.

I do hope they do keep updating the PCM tho`, so we get at least support for the latest version of apple carplay, and the new UI from the facelift for battery / etc.

Would it really require a new computer? I admit it's not my expertise but I feel like the instrument cluster could just display it without needing new hardware.

 

[chun]

Would it really require a new computer? I admit it's not my expertise but I feel like the instrument cluster could just display it without needing new hardware.

There is no gurantee that the previous computer is strong enaugh to power android automotive OS; and it's probably not, seeing how laggy it is. Remains to be seen. Would definitely be an amazing surprise if they do allow us to upgrade it.

They might also not offer the upgrade just so market for CPO taycans grows weaker, so they can sell more facelifted ones. Who know...

 

[tonyyang0420]

i would be surprised if Porsche releases new software to unlock the protected battery. but that's also likely the only thing they can do for existing Taycan in terms of real range improvement

 

[007]

i would be surprised if Porsche releases new software to unlock the protected battery. but that's also likely the only thing they can do for existing Taycan in terms of real range improvement

I’m secretly hoping they find a major flaw in the existing battery and we all get new ones.

 

[tonyyang0420]

I’m secretly hoping they find a major flaw in the existing battery and we all get new ones.

personally I'm not really bothered with the range improvement, if you really look at all the reviews it seems like little are coming from efficiency, it's really due to a bigger battery. i do mostly short drives (less than 30 miles) and the existing range on Taycan is more than enough for me. i bought the car last year knowing the new generation is going to have a bit more range but also a higher price tag. so I'm happy with my 15% off MSRP vs getting 2025 at close to no discount and higher MSRP(I suspect its going to be priced the same as the new Panamera at $99k base).

of course if porsche decided to keep existing owners happy and unlock the battery it would actually be the smart choice for the company to keep the second-hand market afloat.... on the other side of this, I don't see why they wouldn't play safe on the battery longevity and try not to burn more money on the 8 years warranty

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

There is no gurantee that the previous computer is strong enaugh to power android automotive OS; and it's probably not, seeing how laggy it is.

I am not sure from where this rumor originated - the instrument cluster of the refresh looks like the one in the Macan (which probably is Android Auto), but that doesn't mean they migrated the Taycan as well. Surely the current PCM can paint a battery image in the left tube?

I’m secretly hoping they find a major flaw in the existing battery and we all get new ones.

At nearly 150k units sold, that'd be quite the financial hit. I do hope they stick around for a while longer, my planned next new Porsche is the 911 EV.

But anyway, no danger of that hope becoming realized - as you can see, replacing EVSE cables is a major challenge.

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