Redshift Performance Intro - Taycan ECU Performance Packages

[Porsche-Guru]

the point is they don't have to prove it - once you've modified the car they are "off the hook" and they can claim anything they want…and then it's an uphill battle for _YOU_ to prove it didn't cause the problem.

Not really.... The manufacturer is not off the hook (just because you have modified the car).

Technically, any change to the car is a modification. Using a dash-cam, - is it considered a mod or not?

Some may claim it is, as the camera is wired after the car was bought, it draws some current; hence battery drain may be an issue.
Yet, Porsche also sell their own after market das-cams that also is wired and draw current.

It would be for the manufacturer to prove that your own dash-cam was not within the prescribe limits (if these were even available and publicised and provided to the car owner at purchase; and the manufacturer was able to prove that the battery issue happened because of the excess drain from your specific camera). Not that easy, when it gets that technical.

More often than not, it is the dealerships who are fobbing off the warranty claims about 'mods' - not the manufacturer.

The manufacturer is not that easily 'Off the hook'.... at least, not in the EU.
I am not aware of the situation in US, but not every mod is a recipe for warranty disaster....

I am also not saying that this mod will or will not void warranty - only voicing an opinion that a 'manufacturer's not off the hook' just because the car is modded.

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[daveo4EV]

Not really.... The manufacturer is not off the hook (just because you have modified the car).

Technically, any change to the car is a modification. Using a dash-cam, - is it considered a mod or not?

Some may claim it is, as the camera is wired after the car was bought, it draws some current; hence battery drain may be an issue.
Yet, Porsche also sell their own after market das-cams that also is wired and draw current.

It would be for the manufacturer to prove that your own dash-cam was not within the prescribe limits (if these were even available and publicised and provided to the car owner at purchase; and the manufacturer was able to prove that the battery issue happened because of the excess drain from your specific camera). Not that easy, when it gets that technical.

More often than not, it is the dealerships who are fobbing off the warranty claims about 'mods' - not the manufacturer.

The manufacturer is not that easily 'Off the hook'.... at least, not in the EU.
I am not aware of the situation in US, but not every mod is a recipe for warranty disaster....

I am also not saying that this mod will or will not void warranty - only voicing an opinion that a 'manufacturer's not off the hook' just because the car is modded.

good luck with this approach - modding the ECU is not the same as a dash cam

 

[D2G]

Welcome @redshift-performance to the forum. Very compelling offering with lots to consider. I really liked the COBB tunes on the Macan for example that definitely unlock the additional power, but with their device, it is easily installed/uninstalled to ensure full stock ECU condition for service visits.

I have a question, given 30 min swap procedure of the hardware ECU unit, is it possible to get a second ECU unit that is tuned, and then retain the stock version to install it for service visits. Assuming this is possible, meaning the ECUs are not specifically coded/paired to the car, I can see if I go to the dealer to order one (do you know what would be the cost), that will raise some questions, but certainly ordering from a third party like Suncoast would be an option, if this can be ordered as a usual part.

I also want to do this mod.... this is an amazing mod especially for us GTS folks (power into Turbo), but am afraid of the warranty ramifications from Porsche.

Not sure just buying a second new OEM ECU and have it Redshift programmed will work here.

A new OEM ECU bought from Suncoast Parts or others is a "blank" and would need to be programmed to your car at a Porsche dealership. Porsche does not just sell parts with software programming for your car. So, I do not know how to get a second new OEM ECU programmed for my car without Porsche's help and again bringing into question warranty ramifications.

Thoughts?

 

[JAGMAN]

I think both daveo4EV and Porsche Guru are correct.

Idealism (based on legalese): It is the OEM’s challenge to prove the mod did the damage.
Realism: The customer is taking a huge risk, as the customer will likely have to prove the mod did NOT cause the damage.

As for buying an extra ECU. Perhaps Redshift can clone a blank ecu.

 

[daveo4EV]

more and more the electronics these days are "paired/registered" to the VIN - replacing/swapping units requires factory authorized reprogramming with a "live" PWISS talking to germany to "bless/sign" the pairing…

messing with something like the ECU is taking on a lot of warranty risks…

I'm not saying what is true/not-true - but this sort of stuff is not expected to be swapped until it's required to repair damage/defect …

at the end of the day Prosche can "know" or "discover" this sort of thing is going on and if they want to they can simply refuse to honor warranty claims due to these types of changes - and once they've done that - your VIN is Toast for future warranty service…

do you feel lucky punk?

 

[Redhot2474]

Not really.... The manufacturer is not off the hook (just because you have modified the car).

Technically, any change to the car is a modification. Using a dash-cam, - is it considered a mod or not?

Some may claim it is, as the camera is wired after the car was bought, it draws some current; hence battery drain may be an issue.
Yet, Porsche also sell their own after market das-cams that also is wired and draw current.

It would be for the manufacturer to prove that your own dash-cam was not within the prescribe limits (if these were even available and publicised and provided to the car owner at purchase; and the manufacturer was able to prove that the battery issue happened because of the excess drain from your specific camera). Not that easy, when it gets that technical.

More often than not, it is the dealerships who are fobbing off the warranty claims about 'mods' - not the manufacturer.

The manufacturer is not that easily 'Off the hook'.... at least, not in the EU.
I am not aware of the situation in US, but not every mod is a recipe for warranty disaster....

I am also not saying that this mod will or will not void warranty - only voicing an opinion that a 'manufacturer's not off the hook' just because the car is modded.

There’s a law in US called “The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act” which requires manufacturers to honor the original warranty unless they can prove that the aftermarket modification (either the parts or installation) was responsible for the failure that caused warranty repairs.

 

[daveo4EV]

There’s a law in US called “The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act” which requires manufacturers to honor the original warranty unless they can prove that the aftermarket modification (either the parts or installation) was responsible for the failure that caused warranty repairs.

an ECU is going to give them a pretty broad space with in which to make a claim

it is by definaition the "Engine Control Unit" - there is not much more a sensitive part responsible for the vehicle's mechanical integrity - this is hardly a "dash cam" we're talking about.

 

[iamai]

We also offer a revert back to stock service (free of charge) during which we will program your ECU back to stock condition.

Is this reverting going to be free of charge for one time only, or if for some warranty reason, one would like to revert back to factory settings and then redo the tune, is that another cost to me?

 

[RAHRCR]

Curious as to how many of you regularly pin the accelerator to the floor and are thinking “man, I wish this thing would go faster…”. It has never happened to me and I have the poverty 4S model ?‍

That said, modding isn’t always about improvement, sometimes it’s about making changes to make your car unique. Wait…do I want this now?? LOL

 

[Atipical]

I’m definitely interested in this, however are there any protections from Redshift other than they’ll undo the tune for free? Also are there any indications of a loss of range due to “unlocking” more power from the motors? Obviously if you have a lead foot that would be expected but what about during normal operation? Are there any thermal effects to worry about with the extra power? I have a GTS so going from 509hp to 800hp is a massive leap in terms of the power the motors are generating and what the battery is providing.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Curious as to how many of you regularly pin the accelerator to the floor and are thinking “man, I wish this thing would go faster…”. It has never happened to me and I have the poverty 4S model ?‍

That said, modding isn’t always about improvement, sometimes it’s about making changes to make your car unique. Wait…do I want this now?? LOL

The poverty line starts here, with my 4CT. Please proceed to the end of the line, not nice to cut in.

I do agree with your point - I’m sure I will drive a turbo sometime, and realize what I’ve been missing, but honestly I have to watch out when overtaking - it goes pretty quickly from 70 to triple digits.

My curiosity about this mod is more about fully utilizing my hardware; as I understand it’s identical with the 4s’, and according to the claims above, it’s capable of 600+hp, so more than 150% of what I’m using.

 

[Mr.Smith]

I’m definitely interested in this, however are there any protections from Redshift other than they’ll undo the tune for free? Also are there any indications of a loss of range due to “unlocking” more power from the motors? Obviously if you have a lead foot that would be expected but what about during normal operation? Are there any thermal effects to worry about with the extra power? I have a GTS so going from 509hp to 800hp is a massive leap in terms of the power the motors are generating and what the battery is providing.

Ive had the tune since July 2023. The range doesn't change unless you push the car past its previous limits. So If your cruising at 60mph, your efficiently doesn't change

For thermal effects, the protections of the car will kick in before that happens. I was driving full throttle at 162 (VMA is increased to 173mph) when i looked at the power gauge, it went down from 100% to around 70%.

The only difference with your GTS and a Turbo is the 600amp front motor inverter for the improved 0-60 times.

As far as people that are asking why do you need a power increase, its all subjective. I'm starting to look for my next car for next year which would need to be over 1000hp.

 

[Polar993]

Ive had the tune since July 2023. The range doesn't change unless you push the car past its previous limits. So If your cruising at 60mph, your efficiently doesn't change

For thermal effects, the protections of the car will kick in before that happens. I was driving full throttle at 162 (VMA is increased to 173mph) when i looked at the power gauge, it went down from 100% to around 70%.

The only difference with your GTS and a Turbo is the 600amp front motor inverter for the improved 0-60 times.

As far as people that are asking why do you need a power increase, its all subjective. I'm starting to look for my next car for next year which would need to be over 1000hp.

Have you had your car (I know it's a Audi Etron) into service since you've gotten this mod? If so, what was the service that was performed?

 

[Mr.Smith]

Have you had your car (I know it's a Audi Etron) into service since you've gotten this mod? If so, what was the service that was performed?

Yes and they know about the tune. They scanned it multiple times and are unable to notice anything.
Service was not power related. 10k service, brakes.

 

[Atipical]

Yes and they know about the tune. They scanned it multiple times and are unable to notice anything.
Service was not power related. 10k service, brakes.

wait so the dealer knows about the tune but they couldn’t notice it how?

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