Taycan CCS to NACS adaptor for fastest charging on Tesla Supercharger

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[Gino]

Who told you not to use the adapter?

 

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They "suggested" that I don't use it at home.

 

[daveo4EV]

They "suggested" that I don't use it at home.

this is unclear

there are two adapter's

there is a "slow" adapter
there is a fast adapter

the fast adatper will not work with "slow" Tesla chargers
the slow adapter will not work with "fast" Tesla chargers

because the AC/DC pins are different

also no power flows - because the communication protocols do not allow the different types of adapters to "function"…

the dealer is correct - don't use it at home…because it won't/can't work - if it caused problems - well then that's a different issue…

 

[abatis]

I used my Lectron Vortex Plus at a Tesla Supercharger today for the first time. Smooth connect and was getting 129 kW. This will make it easier for long trips. Thankfully, I ordered my 2021 CT with the 150/400 charger.

 

[Flying ace]

I used my Lectron Vortex Plus at a Tesla Supercharger today for the first time. Smooth connect and was getting 129 kW. This will make it easier for long trips. Thankfully, I ordered my 2021 CT with the 150/400 charger.

Another excellent parking spectacle by a Taycan!

 

[abatis]

I was using the last stall on the right side. No one was blocked or harmed during this charge.

 

[DerekS]

dealer BS “ac kicking in that killed it “ utter BS - the AC power pins are not even present in these adapters

really really made up sh*t - new record for clueless

lets spew words together to make it sound like we know what we are talking about

dealers

This. They really don’t know much about this space yet.

 

[refazi]

the adapter(s) do not limit charging speed - they can not - they are very simple devices that just passively pass electricity through to the vehicle.

charging speeds are always affected by various factors outside your control

That's not completely correct,
If the adapter introduces resistance and that as a result makes the plugs heat up, some cars will stop charging due to high plug temperatures, here is a pretty good example of a bad adapter/extender:


This is why 400v systems are not great and practically obsolete , they introduce very high current for very long time that leads to things heating up.
,800/1600v systems are much better at supplying peak current for shorter times due to car battery limitations.

 

[daveo4EV]

That's not completely correct,
If the adapter introduces resistance and that as a result makes the plugs heat up, some cars will stop charging due to high plug temperatures, here is a pretty good example of a bad adapter/extender:


This is why 400v systems are not great and practically obsolete , they introduce very high current for very long time that leads to things heating up.
,800/1600v systems are much better at supplying peak current for shorter times due to car battery limitations.

this is normal electrical system resistances - that doesn't mean the adapter is not passive.

Conductivity, thermals, resistance and normal electrical factors are always in play…any electrical circuit is going to behave as it does based on the physical elements of the circuit…even the vehicle's internal wiring and charge port connector contributes in this manner…that is to be expected and really not relevant to "changing the charging speed" - it's an outcome of a given charging session.

 

[Jayhawker91]

Don’t know whether it will be any better, but Porsche is now making available for purchase their own CCS/Tesla adaptor. You can soon order it for $185 in the Porscheusa.com online store. I tried to order one and was told they are not yet available, but that I will be notified when they are. BTW, 2025 and 2026 Taycans get the adapter free.

Unless you have the optional 400V 150 kW onboard charger, it really won't matter whether it is the Lectron or Porsche (or other manufacturer's adapter), you'll be limited to 50 kW. If you do have the 400V 150 kW onboard charger, then you can charge up to 150 kW, regardless of which adapter you have.

 

[daveo4EV]

Unless you have the optional 400V 150 kW onboard charger, it really won't matter whether it is the Lectron or Porsche (or other manufacturer's adapter), you'll be limited to 50 kW. If you do have the 400V 150 kW onboard charger, then you can charge up to 150 kW, regardless of which adapter you have.

not entirely true - but mostly correct - the current state of fast chargers with NACS charging cords are mostly (99%) Tesla Superchargers @ 400V…

however that is not exclusively true going forward - V4 superchargers can be more than 400V, and other 800V charging networks have announced they will be adding/installing/swapping to NACS based charging cords - so in the future you may pull up to a ChargePoint/EA/EVGo charger - it will have an NACS charging cord, and yet it will still be an 800-1000V charger…

the adapters are passive - the ONLY thing they need to be is "robust" enough to handle 200-1000V volt DC charging at up to 500 amps…

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/scot...b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

the Lectron NACS to CCS adatper for example is specifically rated for 1000V @ 500 A - UL 2252 certified - which means the Porsche unit being the same as this unit is also rated for 1000V @ 500 A…

https://ev-lectron.com/products/lec...0a-1-000v-compatible-with-tesla-superchargers

this will be a factor if for example you want to take advantage of 400 kW charging with the forth coming Cayenne EV which is NACS native in North America…you won't need a NACS/CCS adapter. you'll need a CCS/NACS adapter…

Tesla has a good history of rolling out new Tech - I expect over the next 2+ years some V4 supercharger sites (and new sites) will start being 400/800/1000V sites and you will be able to charge at nearly full rates…

NACS does not equal/require/limit-to 400V - that is the majority today - but not tomorrow.…

YMMV

 

[abatis]

I have been using the Lectron Vortex plus on my CT at Superchargers with zero issues.

 

[Arcitekt]

the adapter(s) do not limit charging speed - they can not - they are very simple devices that just passively pass electricity through to the vehicle.

charging speeds are always affected by various factors outside your control

Tesla Superchargers are 400V DC superchargers - maximum charge speed of a 2020-2024 Taycan at any 400V FastDC charger are affected by the type of 400V DC Booster installed at the factory - there are two 400V Boosters possible on a 2020-2024 Taycan

• 50 kW 400V DC Booster
• optional 150 kW 400V DC Booster

consult your vehicle's build sheet to see which your Taycan has installed. If you do not have 150 kW booster, your maximum charge speed at any 400V Fast DC charger (like superchargers) will be 50 kW. Hint: if the 400V/150 kW DC booster is not listed on your vehicle's build sheet you have the standard 50 KW booster.

2025 and later Taycans, and all Macan's EV's have taken a different approach to 400V charging and no optional booster is required for 150 kW/400V charging support…

this article from Porsche is very helpful for all things charging…

https://ask.porsche.com/us/en-US/charging-speed/

I have a 2021 Taycan with the optioned 150kw/400v adaptor and the Vortex Lectron adaptor.
My first visit to the level Tesla 3 Supercharger had 3 stalls out of 12 filled in Pigeon Forge, TN. The car had 31 miles left on the odometer and 90 degrees. Note as others, the charging cord needs to connect to the right side port not the left side port on our cars. This location allowed me to pull straight up barely over the curb in line with the cord and charging door. This leaves the car slightly over the left the parking stripe, but no need for parallel park. Resuits: The charge topped out at 133kw, about 45 minutes to 100%. On another note, the Mercedes chargers at my local Bucees duly impressed me. The cords were long enough to pull straight in. The car topped out at 240kw which is faster in real life than the 350kw EA speeds about a mile away from there. This EA location consistently provides 150kw at the 4 slots whether at 350kw or 150kw slot and no other vehicles to share the total charge.

 

[pjg03d]

DC fast charged for the first time yesterday, with 50kW onboard charger at a Tesla stall. 44kW as expected. What kind of charge speeds are to be expected at an 800v charger? Didn't plan to road trip all that much when I purchased the car (we have another for that) but now my nephew and mom want to see it

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