22kw option for UK

[G7SUM]

Afternoon all,


I appreciate this has been covered a number of times but i'd appreciate a quick, concise view on whether to tick the 22kw box when i order my GTS this week. Its expensive and for what i see, there isnt many chargers around the network. Will deff tick the 150kw option.

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[batteredhaddock]

There are a few threads, particularly as Porsche currently recommending lowering charge rate on single phase to 25A (6kW) to prolong its life. @tigerbalm has it.

I’m still adding it, travel a lot in Scotland and not great DC off beaten track. Gives an extra option if DC in use and also plan continental travel.

 

[Sidicks]

Afternoon all,
I appreciate this has been covered a number of times but i'd appreciate a quick, concise view on whether to tick the 22kw box when i order my GTS this week. Its expensive and for what i see, there isnt many chargers around the network. Will deff tick the 150kw option.

i Think that’s the best approach - definitely tick the 150kw option, but unless you have a suitable 3-phase supply at home, and will often need to be able to charge the car quickly, then the 22kw is not worth it.
I’m having the same dilemma at the moment, but expect to go with the above.

 

[BigBob]

I went for the 22kw thing, despite spotting the 6kw recommendation on single phase. It's a tough call, but wanted to hv the option of a faster charge when out and about. Hopefully porsche will fix it, but a risk the fix is they'll restrict charging on single phase to 6kw at the car. The problem is a component may overheat/break and the car needs to be recovered if it does.
Tough one really.

 

[smoothound]

Setting aside the 6kw max issue..........

The 22kw comes into its own if you regularly use 22kw destination chargers for shortish stops and need a 2X faster AC charge - Or if you have 3 phase at home.

It serves no purpose at en-route DC chargers or at single phase EVSE (home, street chargers destinations).

Otherwise the standard 11KW AC should be sufficient for most people - the difference between 22kw and 11kw charging time may be of lesser value if you only need a quick top-up at a destination charger to then reach a rapid DC charger for onwards travel.

FWIW: I plan to charge at home 95% of the time (7KW) - and will only use DC en-route charging around 10 times per year - I don't plan to use destination chargers except very rarely - and won't be relying on those - just being used to top-up that happens to be available. So the 22kw is a very low priority for me at the high price.

cheers

 

[f1eng]

FWIW: I plan to charge at home 95% of the time (7KW) - and will only use DC en-route charging around 10 times per year - I don't plan to use destination chargers except very rarely - and won't be relying on those - just being used to top-up that happens to be available. So the 22kw is a very low priority for me at the high price.

This is exactly my situation too, and I bet most UK Taycan owners will be similar, home charging will be enough for me for everything except holidays.

 

[psglas]

For Scotland, I find it useful even although I don't have 3 phase at home. I didn't have it on my original 4S but speced it on the CT4. I often visit east dunbartonshire and some other council areas where they seem to have more 22kW options than DC. At least you know if you can't get a working DC charger you'll likely find a 22kW.

I see lots of broken chargers where I visit. About 50% of the points were broken in Helensburgh today, so I'd rather keep my options open. I can only see availability of public chargers getting worse, I'm afraid.

 

[Boss Hogg]

I would 100% get the 22kW despite the extra cost if you are based on Scotland, to add to the above:

Although there are a reasonable amount of 50kW DC chargers I have found many don't work as they tend to be old and/or poorly maintained (e.g. cracked/worn CCS connectors) particularly in remote areas where you really need them. However, many of these chargers have 22kW AC and I've never had a failed AC charge (touch wood). Also important to note that many 50kW DC chargers can deliver 22kW AC at the same time as DC, so if the charger has somebody using 50kW DC you can still pull power at a reasonable rate.

Final plus point is that there are still lots of free 22kW chargers around. There is one where I walk my dogs so after a couple of hours of fresh air I can fill 50% of the battery.

 

[G7SUM]

Thank you. Will give this some more thought. Will charge at home mostly but dont want to be caught out as you say.

 

[Sidicks]

I would 100% get the 22kW despite the extra cost if you are based on Scotland, to add to the above:

Although there are a reasonable amount of 50kW DC chargers I have found many don't work as they tend to be old and/or poorly maintained (e.g. cracked/worn CCS connectors) particularly in remote areas where you really need them. However, many of these chargers have 22kW AC and I've never had a failed AC charge (touch wood). Also important to note that many 50kW DC chargers can deliver 22kW AC at the same time as DC, so if the charger has somebody using 50kW DC you can still pull power at a reasonable rate.

Final plus point is that there are still lots of free 22kW chargers around. There is one where I walk my dogs so after a couple of hours of fresh air I can fill 50% of the battery.

I hadn't realised that there were so many public 22W AC chargers, I thought that 'en route' charging would be DC only.

Do the various different gaps allow you to identify which public chargers are DC and which also offer AC?
Thanks

 

[G7SUM]

What is the issue with 22kw charging. Ive read a few posts but don’t quite understand the issue. If a local charging point has a 22kw charger, I presume it’s ok to use? Zap map says type 2 22kw.

 

[tigerbalm]

 

[G7SUM]

I see this on the configuration although I’m not entirely sure what it means. There’s chargers near me at a local library. 1x 50kw & 1x 22kw.
Is there something else I need to check?

 

[tigerbalm]

I see this on the configuration although I’m not entirely sure what it means. There’s chargers near me at a local library. 1x 50kw & 1x 22kw.
Is there something else I need to check?

What will you use to charge at home? If its a normal single phase 7kW supply like most in Ireland and UK have – then – according to that notice – you could damage the 22kW charger – or reduce its lifespan – if you don't or can't reduce your power to 6kW at home.

I am on my third 22kW charger.

 

[Boss Hogg]

I hadn't realised that there were so many public 22W AC chargers, I thought that 'en route' charging would be DC only.

Do the various different gaps allow you to identify which public chargers are DC and which also offer AC?
Thanks

I try and charge 50kW DC minimum on trips but broken CCS connectors or a lack of chargers (remoteness or somebody using the DC charger) makes 22kW AC a helpful backup.

You can use Zap-Map (or other apps) to determine charger type, a CCS connection means it is DC (50, 125, 150kW etc) and if the unit also has a 43kW Type 2 connection (popular standard a number of years ago) then it can also deliver AC at 22kW (or Taycan standard AC of 11kW).

There are many standalone 22kW AC only units too, these are obvious in Zap-Map, all are Type 2 connections.

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