Any update to when we will be able to use Tesla network?

[whitex]

however I wish to stress that for 4+ years now I feel you (@whitex) and I (@daveo4EV) are typically in violent agreement, and I know you understand the all the nuance here as I feel so do I…

I fully realize I am preaching to the choir
Sometimes it's good to hash out some concepts for others to see.

I'm aware of this and consider it "a factor" - but honestly if the CCS1 network worked well "as is/was" we all probably would be stuck with CCS1 "as is/was" - and Elon woudl have eventually added CCS1 cables or adapters would be sufficient but less than ideal…

I suspect if CCS1 worked well "as is", Elon would have used it from the get-go. Design-by-committee connector design and lack of port locations standardization lead us to where we are (failing connectors, multiple and unwieldy cables per charging spot, etc). On the flip side, proper connector design (physical connector design is not actually by Tesla, but signaling around it is) and standardization of port location, was IMO a large factor of Supercharger deployment success. Simplified and unified charging protocol also helped with reliability/uptime (CCS has had some major hick-ups in cross-vendor compatibility and plug-and-charge authentication).

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[DerekS]

CCS1 North American failure emboldened EV haters and delivered talking points on a silver plater from which they could distract the general public and claim "this will never work" - even though it was in fact working elsewhere…

Exactly right.

wE ArENT ReAdY was the common talking point.

 

[roger-on-taycan]

I noticed today that the Taycan nav charger map shows a 250kw Supercharger in my area. I was driving by anyway so I took a look. It is pure NACS (no Magic Dock). Has this always been the case? Seems odd.

 

[Flying ace]

I noticed today that the Taycan nav charger map shows a 250kw Supercharger in my area. I was driving by anyway so I took a look. It is pure NACS (no Magic Dock). Has this always been the case? Seems odd.

Same, noticed this last night too. Actually wish there was a way to not consider it in navigation. My car doesn't have 400v booster, navigation thinks it's 200kw

 

[RBGtaycan]

I noticed today that the Taycan nav charger map shows a 250kw Supercharger in my area. I was driving by anyway so I took a look. It is pure NACS (no Magic Dock). Has this always been the case? Seems odd.

If you have a NACS adapter, give it a try..I have one for my KIA EV6 but I test the Tesla locales once in a while with my Taycan (never worked so far EXCEPT at magic docks but ...)

 

[roger-on-taycan]

If you have a NACS adapter, give it a try..I have one for my KIA EV6 but I test the Tesla locales once in a while (never worked so far EXCEPT at magic docks but ...)

I only have an L2 adapter at the moment, waiting to hear what Porsche says about DC adapters once they announce access.

(The site is in Santa Cruz CA, in the Whole Foods parking lot on Soquel, in case anyone else is around and wants to try.)

 

[whitex]

(The site is in Santa Cruz CA, in the Whole Foods parking lot on Soquel, in case anyone else is around and wants to try.)

Paging @daveo4EV

 

[Jonathan S.]

I only have an L2 adapter at the moment, waiting to hear what Porsche says about DC adapters once they announce access.

(The site is in Santa Cruz CA, in the Whole Foods parking lot on Soquel, in case anyone else is around and wants to try.)

I’m sure Porsche will say that only their rebranded adapter is recommended.

 

[whitex]

I’m sure Porsche will say that only their rebranded adapter is recommended.

Of course, it can be a source of profit. If they could get away with it, they would probably tell customers to buy one of a few brands on a list, then bring them into a Porsche dealer "to test/certify", then put a "Porsche inspected and approved, next inspection due in _insert_date_here_" sticker on it for $199. The inspection could be just plugging it into a test rig which will accurately measure resistance and maybe test over-temperature shutoff by blowing hot air on it. I bet over time it would catch some bad or decaying of old age adapters, which could be used to market why this is useful.

TBH, I'm still surprised that manufacturers have not devised a way to authenticate the adapters as a way to lock in which adapter customers can use. It wouldn't have to be a universal standard, just per manufacturer. It should not be a huge challenge to design, deployment on existing cars probably much larger hurdle. Then again, I suspect just enabling NACS charging is probably overwhelming their engineering and deployment logistics capacity already.

 

[daveo4EV]

I only have an L2 adapter at the moment, waiting to hear what Porsche says about DC adapters once they announce access.

(The site is in Santa Cruz CA, in the Whole Foods parking lot on Soquel, in case anyone else is around and wants to try.)

I tested the two Santa Cruz supercharger's a couple of weeks ago with my 2024 Macan EV Turbo

• Whole Foods - no joy
• Burger King @ 41st Street - no joy
• Scott's Valley w/MagicDock - works as expected via MagicDock
• Watsonville Target - no expected to ever work unless Tesla upgrades to V3/V4 stalls (no announced plans along these lines)

rumors peg roll out for VW/Audi/Porsche as possibly in June - YMMV no concrete plans announced.

 

[daveo4EV]

Of course, it can be a source of profit. If they could get away with it, they would probably tell customers to buy one of a few brands on a list, then bring them into a Porsche dealer "to test/certify", then put a "Porsche inspected and approved, next inspection due in _insert_date_here_" sticker on it for $199. The inspection could be just plugging it into a test rig which will accurately measure resistance and maybe test over-temperature shutoff by blowing hot air on it. I bet over time it would catch some bad or decaying of old age adapters.

TBH, I'm still surprised that manufacturers have not devised a way to authenticate the adapters as a way to lock in which adapter customers can use. It wouldn't have to be a universal standard, just per manufacturer. It should not be a huge challenge to design, deployment on existing cars probably much larger hurdle.

$199 - funniest thing I heard all day - they charge $500 for an air filter.

 

[daveo4EV]

I noticed today that the Taycan nav charger map shows a 250kw Supercharger in my area. I was driving by anyway so I took a look. It is pure NACS (no Magic Dock). Has this always been the case? Seems odd.

my Macan EV has listed V3/V4 supercharger sites all along since delivery in Nov. of 2024 - I think this is a "forward" looking change, not an indication of support - but knowing it's coming…eventually…someday…never?

 

[whitex]

$199 - funniest thing I heard all day - they charge $500 for an air filter.

$199 so they can make it an annual inspection, a way to bring the customer in for other upsells. Sell it as a safety measure, I bet some people regularly will do it. It's one of those things which could make sense in the mind of an average consumer. Make an ad showing an adapter that fails the test, then show what happens when such adapter is used to charge at 250KW. There are people out there who will only use Porsche air filters, or Porsche rated tires, so target customers exist for this.

 

[daveo4EV]

$199 so they can make it an annual inspection, a way to bring the customer in for other upsells. Sell it as a safety measure, I bet some people regularly will do it. It's one of those things which could make sense in the mind of an average consumer. Make an ad showing an adapter that fails the test, then show what happens when such adapter is used to charge at 250KW. There are people out there who will only use Porsche air filters, or Porsche rated tires, so target customers exist for this.

oh I'm not suggestin they won't do it and that Porsche wouldn't promote or charge for it - I'm just suggesting $199 is way way way too low of a price - they would charge at least $299 or more in my mind.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Of course, it can be a source of profit. If they could get away with it, they would probably tell customers to buy one of a few brands on a list, then bring them into a Porsche dealer "to test/certify", then put a "Porsche inspected and approved, next inspection due in _insert_date_here_" sticker on it for $199. The inspection could be just plugging it into a test rig which will accurately measure resistance and maybe test over-temperature shutoff by blowing hot air on it. I bet over time it would catch some bad or decaying of old age adapters, which could be used to market why this is useful.

TBH, I'm still surprised that manufacturers have not devised a way to authenticate the adapters as a way to lock in which adapter customers can use. It wouldn't have to be a universal standard, just per manufacturer. It should not be a huge challenge to design, deployment on existing cars probably much larger hurdle. Then again, I suspect just enabling NACS charging is probably overwhelming their engineering and deployment logistics capacity already.

Yes, a rigorous Porsche dealership inspection of J3400 adapters, just like Porsche so rigorously inspected its own rebranded L1/L2 EVSE.

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