Any update to when we will be able to use Tesla network?

[bxwatso]

FWIW, I just road-tripped up I5 from Ontario, CA to Seattle and EA was flawless. All terminals at all locations I charged at were working. Plug and Charge made it easy.

It may be unfashionable to say, but the past six months has shown for me improved EA reliability. Still low charging rates in some rural areas of Colorado, but I suspect this might be the fault of the feeder to the chargers. As far as plug and charge, things are pretty reliable for me.

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[Flying ace]

same, while I have not done the NorCal <-> SoCal road trip yet, my road trips to sierra mountains and my delivery road trip from Montana to California has been frustration free with the EA experience with most sessions maxing out the Taycan's 270 peak and holding steady at 200kw average over 20 minutes.

Ironically, most urban area EAs have throttled speeds and crowding. EA should implement more 85% congestion policy across most urban stations. They should also consider tiered pricing for charge times with a price increase after 30 minutes, or when the charge speed drops below 10 kws i.e. disincentivize charging for more than 30 minutes or speeds below AC rates (sorry BZ4x, Bolt and Chademo users!)... I didn't take a pic of this, but last time I visited my local EA, there was a Bolt driver napping in his car at 95%-98% charging at 3 kw! And this is isn't the first bolt user I saw napping in their cars at 90%+ SoC.

 

[RoseyPSU]

About a year ago. As for when individual VAG brands will be ready for Tesla, nobody knows. It is also unknown if existing cars will gain access, or only new(er) ones.

Take this with a grain of salt like anything else on here but I was told by my dealer next quarter Porsches will be able to use the Tesla supercharger network. There will be a Porsche adapter to use at non magic-dock sites. I hope the info I got is accurate, but not holding my breath....

 

[whitex]

Take this with a grain of salt like anything else on here but I was told by my dealer next quarter Porsches will be able to use the Tesla supercharger network. There will be a Porsche adapter to use at non magic-dock sites. I hope the info I got is accurate, but not holding my breath....

Sadly, my experience with dealer reported news about future features is not great. Porsche gives them less information than they do the media. Dealers, especially on the sales side, tend to "fill the information void" with wishful thinking, or pseudo-scientific reasoning, or whatever they think the customer wants to hear.

 

[RBGtaycan]

Sadly, my experience with dealer reported news about future features is not great. Porsche gives them less information than they do the media. Dealers, especially on the sales side, tend to "fill the information void" with wishful thinking, or pseudo-scientific reasoning, or whatever they think the customers wants to hear.

My other electric, a KIA EV6, is a case in point. It went from a promised Jan 15 to a sometime before March 31 ..to a likely (god knows when?!)..Ironically for a week in February I COULD actually charge the KIA at Tesla w/ my Lectron adapter if I gamed it and called it a Hyundai..but even that was stopped....and so it goes

 

[Jonathan S.]

Agreed for the non-MagicDock sites. I'm going to wait for an official announcement, which should include the adapter recommended by Porsche. My three years of free EA charging expire in June 2025....

MagicDock sites according to PlugShare: https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations

Given Porsche's experience with its OEM-labeled EVSE, the only way in which I would rely on Porsche's recommendation for a J3400>CCS1 adapter would along these lines:

 

[Jonathan S.]

Take this with a grain of salt like anything else on here but I was told by my dealer next quarter Porsches will be able to use the Tesla supercharger network. There will be a Porsche adapter to use at non magic-dock sites. I hope the info I got is accurate, but not holding my breath....

Your dealer is certainly correct that Porsche will eventually place its logo on a J3400>CCS1 manufactured by some third-party company.
Yet hopefully not manufactured to Porsche's specs, given the track record with its OEM-labeled EVSE.

As for your dealer's prediction on Q2 prediction, we can safely eliminate Q1 given that only fourteen days remain.
That gives Q2 a one-third chance if the dealer randomly picked Q2 over Q3 or Q4.
However, given that anything any dealer says should be probably be cut in half for accuracy, let's go with 16.67% chance that the dealer ends up being correct.

 

[RoseyPSU]

Your dealer is certainly correct that Porsche will eventually place its logo on a J3400>CCS1 manufactured by some third-party company.
Yet hopefully not manufactured to Porsche's specs, given the track record with its OEM-labeled EVSE.

As for your dealer's prediction on Q2 prediction, we can safely eliminate Q1 given that only fourteen days remain.
That gives Q2 a one-third chance if the dealer randomly picked Q2 over Q3 or Q4.
However, given that anything any dealer says should be probably be cut in half for accuracy, let's go with 16.67% chance that the dealer ends up being correct.

This is excellent math! 16.67% it is! I think that equals one grain of salt.

 

[Flying ace]

Take this with a grain of salt like anything else on here but I was told by my dealer next quarter Porsches will be able to use the Tesla supercharger network. There will be a Porsche adapter to use at non magic-dock sites. I hope the info I got is accurate, but not holding my breath....

I feel like this has always been the original assumption when originally announced. It was always quoted as "summer 2025"

 

[Flying ace]

My other electric, a KIA EV6, is a case in point. It went from a promised Jan 15 to a sometime before March 31 ..to a likely (god knows when?!)..Ironically for a week in February I COULD actually charge the KIA at Tesla w/ my Lectron adapter if I gamed it and called it a Hyundai..but even that was stopped....and so it goes

Wait...Kia is STILL NOT turned on? Wtf... I swear Tesla is dragging this out on purpose.

Honestly, I'm not regretting my decision passing up on a pre-owned vehicle purchase without the 150kw/400v booster. By the time Tesla is available, it'll be moot, demand from MB, BMW and EGMP would have shifted materially away resulting in improved EA reliability and supply. Coupled with newer EA hardware, Ionna and new networks, 400v is about to be a dinosaur. And Tesla should take all the Toyota and Bolts with them them too! ?

 

[daveo4EV]

I feel like this has always been the original assumption when originally announced. It was always quoted as "summer 2025"

never saw a press release with "summer" in it - rather the original press release in Dec. of 2023 said 2025 - narrowing it down to between 1/1/2025 and 12/31/2025…only 365 possible choices - nothing really…

 

[whitex]

never saw a press release with "summer" in it - rather the original press release in Dec. of 2023 said 2025 - narrowing it down to between 1/1/2025 and 12/31/2025…only 365 possible choices - nothing really…

2025 was not a commitment, but rather an aspirational goal. Or perhaps it meant 2025 model year cars. ?‍

 

[daveo4EV]

2025 was not a commitment, but rather an aspirational goal. Or perhaps it meant 2025 model year cars. ?‍

It took the combined ingredients of idocicy, ineptitude, and total disengagement for this farce to have reached the full apex of incredulous disaster. [SAE CCS1 working group member raises their hand] Seriously? My files are filled with customer CCS1 charging station fiascos but this takes the prize. And you CEO of Electrify America. Proud, are we? Take solice in this. You will not replaced. You've rung the final bell on North American charging network independence. As of this morning, the North American charging standard is under permanent NACS Elon authority. Congratulations on that.

one of two epic and stunning monologue's from season 1 of Andor…apologies for the adaptation but i feel it fits…

VW/Audi/Porsche were super late to this party - one of the last vendors to announce what should be an obvious business necessity once Ford/GM were on board - so I blame them "mostly" - but I'm also pretty sure Tesla (and by proxy Elon) is a PITA to deal with so VW/Audi/Porsche are not entirely at fault - also we're in the mess partly because of a sh*t job done as part of the J-1772/CCS1 SAE plug design standard which all non-Tesla's in north-America adopted and therefore starting building infrastructure around - the CCS charging standard is pretty good and more than sufficient, but the physical plug design standard which was associated with it was a design failure - this we can lay at the feet of the SAE working group(s) and by proxy the North American automotive industry that never really engaged on EV's and by omission, apathy, and simple lack of commitment did not scrutinize the design and ask necessary questions about the CCS1 physical plug design…they probably honestly thought/hoped it would never matter…

but most of the blame goes to Tesla - who for some insane reason (politics, business, and ego) has tied SuperCharger access to NACS plug design and then required each manufacture to negotiate with them…this is un-necessary technically and Tesla could unilaterally open the Supercharger network to all EV's with out requiring each vendor to engage on NACS, and have an agreement with them. Tesla doens't require these steps for European supercharger access - and they unilaterally provide access to most of their network…

like most good cluster-f**ks it took a world village for us to get where we are at for this mess and no one party is to blame, but all of them failed to operate from the perspective of the customer or the greater good and because of that VW/Audi/Porsche still do not have a concrete date by which they will have access, but we know it will happen eventually…

there is enough mistakes in this saga for blame to be shared by everyone and no one party is completely at fault, but OMG at each step of the way they certainly made it hard on themselves and on the way screwed over their customers…

I do partly blame EA/CCS1 and the automotive industry for the sh*t show that was the 2020-2024 EV roll out - had charging/EA worked better I do believe there would be less negative EV sentiment - again not completely CCS1's fault (and by association the CCS1 infrastructure) but it certainly did very very little to help or sooth people's "fears"…at a minimum the CCS1 North American failure emboldened EV haters and delivered talking points on a silver plater from which they could distract the general public and claim "this will never work" - even though it was in fact working elsewhere…

there are so many dimensions to this issue that it simply fascinates - but at the same time I'm deeply saddened, we'd be deeper into EV adoption if CCS1's physical design had not failed, but even _IF_ the CCS1 plug designed sucked, if the CCS1 network had not been a complete shi*t show during roll out we probalby would've "lived with" the CCS1 design failures because the the network was "working" well enough…

I'd be surprised if this is not used as "the example" of how not to roll out new tech in business schools for decades to come…

 

[whitex]

but most of the blame goes to Tesla - who for some insane reason (politics, business, and ego) has tied SuperCharger access to NACS plug design and then required each manufacture to negotiate with them…this is un-necessary technically and Tesla could unilaterally open the Supercharger network to all EV's with out requiring each vendor to engage on NACS, and have an agreement with them. Tesla doens't require these staps for European supercharger access - and they unilaterally provide access to most of their network…

There is one difference between Europe and North America - they already used the same connector, so no adapters. I think Tesla wanted a commitment from each manufacturer that adapters will be a temporary transition measure only. They also learned from Europe that non-standard charge port location causes issues with Superchargers, so perhaps they figured they'd kill two birds with one stone, get everyone to switch to a common plug, AND get everyone to place the charge port in the same location, as a condition for gaining access.

The above is purely my speculation.

 

[daveo4EV]

There is one difference between Europe and North America - they already used the same connector, so no adapters. I think Tesla wanted a commitment from each manufacturer that adapters will be a temporary transition measure only. They also learned from Europe that non-standard charge port location causes issues with Superchargers, so perhaps they figured they'd kill two birds with one stone, get everyone to switch to a common plug, AND get everyone to place the charge port in the same location, as a condition for gaining access.

The above is purely my speculation.

I'm aware of this and consider it "a factor" - but honestly if the CCS1 network worked well "as is/was" we all probably would be stuck with CCS1 "as is/was" - and Elon woudl have eventually added CCS1 cables or adapters would be sufficient but less than ideal…

however I wish to stress that for 4+ years now, I feel you (@whitex) and I (@daveo4EV) are typically in violent agreement and can also finish each other's thoughts on many EV topics, and I know you understand the all the nuance here as I feel so do I…

this is simply a fascinating study in how not to roll out tech…and the factors leading us to this "incredulous disaster" are innumerable…what could've been if EA had not sucked…

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