Best 19.2kW / 80A EVSE?

[gnop1950]

Why do you need 80A anyway? I don’t think any car can accept more than 40a at home. (50a breaker.). When I was building my house a couple years back I had a new gen 2 charger that I got as a referral gift from Tesla. So I spec’d a 100a breaker with our electrical sub

Fast forward Before we moved in Last year I sold the charger on eBay and bought two new gen 3 chargers and converted my 100a breaker into 2 50A circuits so I have 2 40A chargers now. One for my Taycan Turbo S and an extra for any other future EV or my spare model 3 performance that is collecting dust.

If you get the 19.2kW option for your Taycan you need an 80AMP charger to support that rate. I have the Porsche PWCC and average 18.9kW or higher when charging at home. I had a 100AMP breaker installed at the panel and a line run to my garage for the PWCC.

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[XLR82XS]

Being ugly is a pretty big downside though...

Can always paint/wrap/change the case. Apply vinyl or other personal customization.

 

[Electron]

The only real advantage I see from the Porsche Wall Charger Connect, aside from Porsche aesthetics, is that it integrates with the MyPorsche portal to “offer detailed charging records and histories.”

But how useful is this information really? It wouldn’t capture away-from-home charging. And I don’t think it would show the charging split between multiple EVs. So really it just shows kW/month charging history at home?

Does the Tesla Wall Connector do anything similar (presumably through the Tesla app/portal?)

 

[BigBob]

Don't forget about after-sales customer support when choosing your EVSE.

When I was turning on my 40 amp Pulsar Wallbox for the first time, I called their tech support for questions about configuration and firmware updates. Got quick, informed help from Wallbox customer reps. Both contacted me couple days later as follow-up to check to see issues were resolved.

My contacts with Porsche NA customer service about Porsche apps have been complete waste of my time. Reps forward questions to 2nd-level support/Germany, tell me I have to wait until they get a response, and depend on me to make follow-up calls for status. If you buy Porsche EVSE, you better hope you won't need help from Porsche.

I have a wall box too, had problems but it eventually turned out the power company weren't supplying me enough (below legal amount) voltage.

As for your point about porsche, it is valid. However, the one advantage of using their evse is they can't blame someone else if you have a problem i.e. if its the car or evse, they need to sort it. Maybe I'm being naive though as its probably different departments who don't talk.

 

[daveo4EV]

I have a wall box too, had problems but it eventually turned out the power company weren't supplying me enough (below legal amount) voltage.

As for your point about porsche, it is valid. However, the one advantage of using their evse is they can't blame someone else if you have a problem i.e. if its the car or evse, they need to sort it. Maybe I'm being naive though as its probably different departments who don't talk.

this cuts both ways - when it's charging a non-Porsche - Porsche is also clueless as to why their charger can't/won't charge another EV

ClipperCreek
ChargePoint (if they make an 80 amp)
Tesla Wall Charger Gen1/2 [used]

of the list above - ClipperCreek is very very reliable - the charging "data" is useful for about the first 6 weeks, and then you'll never look at it again…

 

[buhhy]

Now the question is, how does Clippercreek justify a $2200 price tag when the Tesla 80A charger is a quarter of the price. 25’ of 3-3-3-5 SER would only be $300. If the EVSE really is just a pass-through, the CS-100 is including an awful lot of markup.

 

[Scandinavian]

Now the question is, how does Clippercreek justify a $2200 price tag when the Tesla 80A charger is a quarter of the price. 25’ of 3-3-3-5 SER would only be $300. If the EVSE really is just a pass-through, the CS-100 is including an awful lot of markup.

And a Tesla Supercharger cost one fifth of the Ionity or EA chargers?

 

[ron_b]

Why do you need 80A anyway? I don’t think any car can accept more than 40a at home. (50a breaker.). When I was building my house a couple years back I had a new gen 2 charger that I got as a referral gift from Tesla. So I spec’d a 100a breaker with our electrical sub

Fast forward Before we moved in Last year I sold the charger on eBay and bought two new gen 3 chargers and converted my 100a breaker into 2 50A circuits so I have 2 40A chargers now. One for my Taycan Turbo S and an extra for any other future EV or my spare model 3 performance that is collecting dust.

My findings are that the base Taycan can accept 48A at 240vac so 11.5kW. I have seen 10.4kW on the battery display while at a 70A charger.
Also you can option a 19.2kW onboard charger for the Taycan for fast Level 2 charging.

 

[TaycanCook]

Throwing an option out there. If you're so inclined, you can also build your own 80amp charger using openevse, you need to source a 12v actuated relay for 208/240v + 80amps of current and a charging cable for 80amps. The rest of the "Open EVSE" kit would could be used, with the exception of the housing box, it'll depend on which relay you pick up.

 

[daveo4EV]

Why do you need 80A anyway? I don’t think any car can accept more than 40a at home. (50a breaker.). When I was building my house a couple years back I had a new gen 2 charger that I got as a referral gift from Tesla. So I spec’d a 100a breaker with our electrical sub

Fast forward Before we moved in Last year I sold the charger on eBay and bought two new gen 3 chargers and converted my 100a breaker into 2 50A circuits so I have 2 40A chargers now. One for my Taycan Turbo S and an extra for any other future EV or my spare model 3 performance that is collecting dust.

Taycan's max charge rate with NO eMobility options "checked" is 11 kW (60 amp breaker/48 amp charge rate)

Access to a 60/48 amp charge rate requires a non-Mobile hardwired EVSE - your Tesla Gen3 Wall chargers can do 60/48 amp with appropriate physical wire-gauge/breaker (consults your licensed electrician)

there is a $1680 19.2 kW charging option for North America - that charge rate would require a hardwired EVSE 100 amp breaker for a 80 amp charge rate…

if by "Gen3" charger listed above you mean Tesla Chargers you have a great setup but are underutilizing it.

if you have 60 amp rated wire/breaker running to each of the Gen3 chargers you can do the following

you can "network" the chargers with each other (wireless point to point) - tell each charger it has a 60 amp breaker (48 amp max charge rate) but tell them they share a total capacity of 100 amp(your total capacity on your sub)

when charging one EV you will get the 11 kW "max" rate
when charging two EV's you will get 40 amps "each"
during charging the two Gen3 wall chargers will each monitor what the vehicle is actually drawing and as one vehicle ramps "down" it's charge rate the other vehicle will get the unused capacity…
Gen3 wall chargers have some of the most sophisticated load sharing available - you can network upto 16 of them and tell them for example each has a 50 amp breaker, but all 16 are "sharing" a 200 amp main breaker…and then you can charge a fleet of EV's and they will all load balance during multi-EV charging sessions.

I'd "load share" the gen 3 chargers and then each EV will always get it's max charge rate when it can - otherwise it will "auto-split" the load for charging 2 EV's.

 

[daveo4EV]

It looks to me to be actually bullet proof !

there are some clipper creek 40 amp models that look like this in a state park in Soquel (Seacliff State Park, Soquel, CA) - they've been there over 8 year - still work - flawless - talked to park ranger they have had "zero" reliablity issues since they were installed in 2014…outside, no cover, ocean environment everything rusts (not these), no shelter, public access - sometimes the "plugs" break because people drop them or run over them (but have been repaired due to damage) - but as an electrical device they have had "zero" reliability issues…

ugly
functionally bullet proof
reliable
dependable
rugged
ugly
expensive

 

[RCorsa]

Im good with my current set up. Our local municipality only allows for 400A total per single family home. We have a very efficient home (finished in 2021) but also have outdoor heating on a huge patio (80a) a waterfront dock power (30a) a hot tub (30a) etc etc so no way to do a 200a car charger without loosing stuff.

 

[daveo4EV]

Im good with my current set up. Our local municipality only allows for 400A total per single family home. We have a very efficient home (finished in 2021) but also have outdoor heating on a huge patio (80a) a waterfront dock power (30a) a hot tub (30a) etc etc so no way to do a 200a car charger without loosing stuff.

you don't need to do 200 amps

you can tell each Gen3 wall charger it has 60 amp "each" (max gen3 rate) but not to go beyond 100 amps combined when both are in use.

same load, but single charging rate of 60/48 amps when you're chargine one EV - with 32 amps left "over" for the 2nd EV charger…

anyways you're good - just pointing out you can load share the Gen3 wall chargers and tell them the max load to split as they see "fit".

 

[RCorsa]

as initially I had it wired with one 100a breaker in the Hope to load share but the software for The gen 3 wasn’t out yet so I had my electrical guy change it out and split it with 2 50A breakers. So I think the max I can do is 40a each. (80%). Am I thinking of this incorrectly?

 

[tigerbalm]

only allows for 400A total per single family home

"only"!

We get 63A total per apartment/home.

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