Exceptional charging performance, or just the Taycan norm?

[SergeyIndy]

You’re literally saying that faster charging is not faster?
Math and physics disagree.

Fast charging is a designed-in feature of the car, and I’m going to continue using it.
J1.2 holds the high speeds even deeper into the charging curve, and at a higher rate.

Marketing. Please reference my latest post that backs things up with data. The charging is a curve and exactly the physics is in play and faster peak is not faster in time, that is exactly the point. Also, you can do the test yourself at home. Use the same conditions and same charger known to deliver max.

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[DerekS]

Marketing. Please reference my latest post that backs things up with data. The charging is a curve and exactly the physics is in play and faster peak is not faster in time, that is exactly the point. Also, you can do the test yourself at home. Use the same conditions and same charger known to deliver max.

 

[DerekS]

Here are two real world charges.
One near the theoretical max, one at 150kW.
Both were around 20 minutes.

The faster session added 50% more power in the same time.

Faster charging is faster. I get why you’re afraid of it though.

 

[DerekS]

Here’s an even closer comparison which added almost exactly the same kWh on a capped charger doing 175kW.

 

[chun]

The point is that it is not faster and you are taking unnecessary risk. Anyone on J1.1 not using battery friendly chasing these speeds on a regular basis come back and talk to me when your battery or fans fail and note how hot you are cooking that battery 131F+.

Porsche themselves removed that option on update 4360, as they found it unncesary, after gathering data from the millions of km of real world driving and charging. The increased load on the components had little to no impact, components covered by warranty - so they would care.

It depends what kind of driver you are and on the scenario. I rarely charge 10-80% when driving by myself; and most often just start charging at 10%, go pee, by the time I am back the car would be 55-65%, and i continue driving.
The battery friendly option would absolutely have an impact in this scenario, and I would be lucky to put 40% in the battery - and that's a 60-90km range difference that would be misisng, so not quite nothing.

 

[DerekS]

I had ChatGPT do an objective analysis:

You’ve basically got two nearly identical energy adds (~62.5 kWh), so we can compare cleanly.
Session A (Safeway — the fast one)

• 62.34 kWh in 21 min
• Avg rate ≈ 178 kW

Session B (Bakersfield — slower)

• 62.75 kWh in 28 min
• Avg rate ≈ 135 kW

How much faster?
By time:

• 28 min → 21 min
• ~25% faster (you saved ~7 minutes)

By average charging speed:

• 178 kW vs 135 kW
• ~32% higher power

In conclusion, I'm calling "MYTH: BUSTED" on "faster charging doesn't save time."

 

[Flying ace]

Looks good - And to be expected on the Tacan. If you start with a low SoC and right temp of the battery that is the charge curve you can expect.

By far the most common limiting factor when charging is the chargers ability to deliver. Especially when the stations are busy they throttle heavily which is very clear when you have a Taycan. We have yearly european roadtrips and have seen this happen often.

Normally I put on the "battery friendly" option when charging (Which changes the curve and caps it at around 200kW) just because we usually need more time at the stops than it takes when the option is not on I don't care too much about the battery temp as I only use DCFC a handful of times each summer.

I noticed this as well on my recent trip. The car was annoyingly ready before I was, causing me to rush back to unplug and re-park the car.

I'll use the Friendly mode next time to buy time. We also have stations that limit max charge to 85%

 

[gnr3312]

I noticed this as well on my recent trip. The car was annoyingly ready before I was, causing me to rush back to unplug and re-park the car.

I'll use the Friendly mode next time to buy time. We also have stations that limit max charge to 85%

Is the “Friendly” mode only on J1.2? Don’t think I’ve ever seen this in mine (2024).

 

[chun]

Is the “Friendly” mode only on J1.2? Don’t think I’ve ever seen this in mine (2024).

it is only on j1.1

it was removed for j1.2

 

[DerekS]

What we have on J1.2:

 

[Flying ace]

I use " battery hostile " mode. I infrequently fast charge, so I'm always troubleshooting whether my car is the limiting factor or the station is the limiting factor.

I've determined it's always the station as many urban units are balanced chargers when they are all occupied.

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[DerekS]

I use " battery hostile " mode. I infrequently fast charge, so I'm always troubleshooting whether my car is the limiting factor or the station is the limiting factor.

I've determined it's always the station as many urban units are balanced chargers when they are all occupied.

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Yeah!! Team battery hostile!

 

[Flying ace]

Hello all, during a recent trip back from the French Alps I experienced the best charging session I think I've ever had in my Taycan. This was at one of Aire de Rumaucourt's Shell Recharge 300kW units. Here are the stats:

The car is a March 2023 registered Taycan 4S Cross Turismo J1.1 with the 83.7 kWh Performance Battery Plus (standard on CTs).
- 5% to 78%
- 59.012 kWh delivered
- 17 min 15s
- Average charge rate of 206.19 kW
- Peak of 264 kW
- 230-260 kW sustained from 5% to 45-50% SOC

Curious to know how this compares to others!

To answer your question, this is the true maximum potential of the car. The charger (being an Alpitronic HYC 400) is one of the best out there, and having dedicated power will deliver these results. Averaging 200 kws between 5%-80% is the design. Speeds should drop to precipitously to 100kw and then 50kw between 80 and 85 %. But IMO it's worth waiting for this extra 5%.

The peak of 264kw is close to the max. I believe Porsche designed and originally allowed the car to peak at 270, but I recall after an update, they set the max to 250 or 260.

 

[taycan_ct]

To answer your question, this is the true maximum potential of the car. The charger (being an Alpitronic HYC 400) is one of the best out there, and having dedicated power will deliver these results. Averaging 200 kws between 5%-80% is the design. Speeds should drop to precipitously to 100kw and then 50kw between 80 and 85 %. But IMO it's worth waiting for this extra 5%.

The peak of 264kw is close to the max. I believe Porsche designed and originally allowed the car to peak at 270, but I recall after an update, they set the max to 250 or 260.

Thank you. I’ve been impressed with non-IONITY chargers and have arguably had more positive experiences with them - probably because the majority of IONITY stations in the UK are busy all the time, it seems…

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