Home charging

[vks]

I recently got a MY23 4S. So far relying on at work chargers (level 2) and public charging (level 3), but would like to get a home charging solution. The Porsche one feels super expensive. Have been thinking about ChargePoint. Would appreciate any recommendations from this group. Thank you!

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[daveo4EV]

Taycan includes a NEMA 14-50/6-50 EVSE (9.6 kW charging) the Porsche Mobile Charger + (PMC+) - the charger included is listed as standard equipment w/Taycan in the eMoblity section - there is an optional $1120 Porsche Mobile Charger Connect (PMCC) with LCD screen and wifi - mostly not worth it - but you do not need to purchase a charger - the vehicle includes one.

see screen shot below from porsche usa website - standard equipment list

so if you want to just use the included one all you need to do is get a NEMA 14-50/6-50 outlet installled by a qualified/licensed electrician - and you're good to go. This type of plug/outlet is the majority "type of install" and is full functional with other non-Porsche EV chargers (EVSE) - and since it's just a plug - you can easily swap to another brand EVSE in the future - there are many many alternative EVSE's that are simply NEMA 14-50/6-50 plug based.

here is porsche's document covering home EV charging for North America - their recommendations will work for _ANY_ NEMA 14-50/6-50 EVSE and are excellent advice…including the recommended "Hubble" electrical socket…I would upgrade the term "recommended" to "required" for _ANY_ NEMA base EVSE regardless of EVSE vendor (this mirror's Tesla's, Rivian's, Ford's, Lucid's EVSE install recommendation as well - so it's industry standard best practice to use the Hubble commerical grade sockets for any plug base EVSE).

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-related-porsche-ntsb-article-analysis.13902/

my biased opinion is that the Porsche EVSE (included PMC+ or optional $1120 PMCC) is a proven crap product, but no reason you can't start with the included/free PMC+ EVSE (see above) and if it starts to dissatisfy you there are many high-quality well priced alternatives - so don't spend money until you need to.

I can suggest that the $1120 PMCC is a terrible way to spend the money vs. alternatives and the PMCC has the same core functional problems that the included PMC+ has…and it's super expensive vs. higher quality non-Porsche EVSE alternatives.

these threads will get you started…

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...estly-bare-bones-least-amount-of-text….11745/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...age…for-those-that-wish-to-over-do-it-….2343/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/search/909520/?q=this+is+getting&c[title_only]=1&c[users]=daveo4EV&o=date
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...g-they-dont-think-they-have-a-problem….14304/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...uide-to-the-porsche-evse-pmc-pmcc-pwcc.13886/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...pany…-tesla-j-1772-wall-charger-review.13163/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/which-mobile-charger-would-you-recommend.15543/

 

[daveo4EV]

I recently got a MY23 4S. So far relying on at work chargers (level 2) and public charging (level 3), but would like to get a home charging solution. The Porsche one feels super expensive. Have been thinking about ChargePoint. Would appreciate any recommendations from this group. Thank you!

charge point is excellent a good choice also:

other's to consider…(but no reason the chargepoint will be fine)
Tesla J-1772 Wall Charger
WallBox Puslar+
Autel
Enphase/ClipperCreek
JuiceBox

most any EVSE you can find will work fine with the Taycan and are fine alternatives to included/optional Porsche EVSE.

ChargePoint is on the "short list" of go-to EVSE's for any EV - including Taycan - so it's hard to go wrong.

 

[RBGtaycan]

I recently got a MY23 4S. So far relying on at work chargers (level 2) and public charging (level 3), but would like to get a home charging solution. The Porsche one feels super expensive. Have been thinking about ChargePoint. Would appreciate any recommendations from this group. Thank you!

some utilities will give you a highly discounted charger and special rates..so that is worth checking.

 

[gryphon99]

Hardwire the ChargePoint EVSE and call it a day. It's expensive, but works great and will give you piece of mind. Just make sure to get a 60amp circuit.

 

[daveo4EV]

if you're going to hardwire get 60 amp breaker - 48 amp charge rate - 11 kw…matching the Taycan's standard maximum charge rate.

 

[Taycan2023y]

I have the 32 amp circuit fitted in my garage delivering 11kw. If I had the 22kw upgraded onboard charger in my car I could get up to 22kw.
In Australia you cannot untick the option of charging so you have to pay for the wall charger as part of the purchase. I have charged at home and it works well.
Also at hotels Porsche have installed this same charger and call it the Porsche destination charger.
At the Porsche centre they have dc chargers at 150kw.
In the states is it cheaper to purchase other brand of chargers?

 

[mrogerc]

charge point is excellent a good choice also:

other's to consider…(but no reason the chargepoint will be fine)
Tesla J-1772 Wall Charger
WallBox Puslar+
Autel
Enphase/ClipperCreek
JuiceBox

most any EVSE you can find will work fine with the Taycan and are fine alternatives to included/optional Porsche EVSE.

ChargePoint is on the "short list" of go-to EVSE's for any EV - including Taycan - so it's hard to go wrong.

Another choice to consider: The Tesla NACS wall charger and a J1772 adapter. Tesla’s J1772 charger costs $75 more than their NACS charger. You can get a Lectron NACS to J1772 adapter for $140 to $160 (Lectron Site/Amazon). For a relatively small premium spent on the adapter, you get a charger that is proven, produced at massive volume, and will be ideal for the NACS (IMHO) future.

 

[gryphon99]

I have the 32 amp circuit fitted in my garage delivering 11kw. If I had the 22kw upgraded onboard charger in my car I could get up to 22kw.
In Australia you cannot untick the option of charging so you have to pay for the wall charger as part of the purchase. I have charged at home and it works well.
Also at hotels Porsche have installed this same charger and call it the Porsche destination charger.
At the Porsche centre they have dc chargers at 150kw.
In the states is it cheaper to purchase other brand of chargers?

Yes the other brands are cheaper in the US than the Porsche charger. I don't have any experience with the PWCC but from the comments on this forum, it sounds like the other brands are more reliable than the Porsche brand in the US as well. PWCC is $1670 USD, I bought my ChargePoint for $700 and my Enphase for $1100.

 

[daveo4EV]

Yes the other brands are cheaper in the US than the Porsche charger. I don't have any experience with the PWCC but from the comments on this forum, it sounds like the other brands are more reliable than the Porsche brand in the US as well. PWCC is $1670 USD, I bought my ChargePoint for $700 and my Enphase for $1100.

real cost is more - if not purchased with the vehicle (say for a 2nd home)…it's north of $4000 for a full PMCC "kit" if you buy it as parts outside a vehicle purchase.

for that sort of money there are WAY WAY WAY better choices - using the included PMC+ or paying for the optional $1120 PMCC is one thing - but purchasing one of these pieces of crap outside of a vehicle purchase is simply throwing money into a furnace - send me the $4000 and I'll provide you with a rock solid enphase/clipper creek HCS-60 and pocket the difference for my troubles.

https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/skutaycha.html - PMCC $2495
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/skutaycab.html - 24.5 ft J-1772 cable $750
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/skuhybg2nema1450.html - NEMA 14-50 power supply cable $170
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/skuhybg2w120v.html - NEMA 5-15 house hold outlet cable is $120
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/sku971hybbracket.html - basic wall bracket $290
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/sku9j1bag.html - storage bag $235

so the PMCC "full kit" when purchase separately outside of a vehicle order is $4060 + tax + shipping

ridiculous is understatement and this is the worst EVSE in north america for crazy money - it's simply awful and the cost is unjustifiable. It also is the biggest/heaviest and most awkward mobile EVSE and there are far better mobile choices for road warrior duty - and the alternatives have more NEMA adapters available for greater compatibility with a wider range of NEMA outlets for great road warrior confidence.

the better, smaller, lighter, more rugged and better mobile 32 amp Universal Mobile Charger Gen 2 (UMC Gen2) from Tesla $230 + full set of 6 additional NEMA plugs $245 + $140 - and that is a complete "kit" for less money than posche charges for just the 25ft J-1772 charging cable - and it's smaller, more reliable, lighter, more rugged, and takes up less room in the frunk - $615 for a FULL MOBILE EVSE with more capability, better design, and better build quality and greater reliability and larger feature set - Porsche's prices for their EVSE are mind blowing - and it's just soooo bad at it's main job - and that includes the cost of the TeslaTap which is useful item all by itself - so back out the cost of that and the full 32 amp Tesla UMCGen2 is $475 w/8 NEMA plug adapter's included in that price + storage bag.

if you don't want NEMA plug choices (and honestly less and less necessary day by day) you buy the excellent 40 amp Tesla Corded Charger (NEMA 14-50 ONLY) for $200 - that's it - $200 and you're done! with an EVSE much much better than a PMC+/PMCC. $200 complete cost - $35 less than the storage bag for the PMC+/PMCC.

disclaimer: my personal views on the PMC+/PMCC are deeply biased and I now hate those products with a vile passion - my views may not be justifiable or rational - but I believe they may be understandable - it may not be the products themselves but rather Porsche's refusal to capitulate on their flaws and demonstrate any tangible progress on understanding they may need to do better in this space - I fully acknowledge you may need to take my feedback with big ass grains of salt - but I humbly request you at least evaluate that while I might be extreme - I was driven to this madness by actual faults with the product's design and Porsche's anemic response - I believe the cost however is outragous - also I came to this position after living with these products for 3+ years and 12 years of general EV experience…I may be biased and irrational - I didn't start here rather I was quite optimistic - but Porsche drove me to this position after living with their products for 3+ years - I've moved on and no longer use them…

 

[SergeyIndy]

I listened to the state of charge youtuber and he recommended Emporia.
I did a 60Amp hardwire from the panel with no visible wire.
$450 labor from a local electrical shop (Uber Energy) and $400 for the charger from Amazon.
I charged only once, so far, using the Timer function and it worked perfectly pulling respectable 10.5kW.

 

[Elroy]

I recently got a MY23 4S. So far relying on at work chargers (level 2) and public charging (level 3), but would like to get a home charging solution. The Porsche one feels super expensive. Have been thinking about ChargePoint. Would appreciate any recommendations from this group. Thank you!

In our MY2022 Taycan GTS we use the supplied Porsche charger installed as recommended. It is installed in our climate controlled garage kept at 85° maximum. This summer I have been having charging malfunctions at 100% charge rate due to the charger overheating. Our Porsche service advisor recommended reducing the charging rate to 50% which still recharges the car at home overnight and so far has solved the problem. We normally charge to 85% and try to only use the level three charger which is available at the nearby Porsche dealer for a free fast charge when we need to take the charge quickly to 100% for a longer trip. We are getting 245 mi. range at 85% charge in normal mode

 

[daveo4EV]

In our MY2022 Taycan GTS we use the supplied Porsche charger installed as recommended. It is installed in our climate controlled garage kept at 85° maximum. This summer I have been having charging malfunctions at 100% charge rate due to the charger overheating. Our Porsche service advisor recommended reducing the charging rate to 50% which still recharges the car at home overnight and so far has solved the problem. We normally charge to 85% and try to only use the level three charger which is available at the nearby Porsche dealer for a free fast charge when we need to take the charge quickly to 100% for a longer trip. We are getting 245 mi. range at 85% charge in normal mode

there are lots of charger that can run at full 40 amps with out overheating - the "workaround" to reduce charging speed is an admission by Porsche that their product can't run at the advertised charge rate with out failing - $200 charger from Tesla will run all day and all night at full 40 amps 9.6 kW and not overheat - Porsche's charger is $4000 and can't run at it fully specified rate - you wouldn't be happy if your Taycan could only drive 30 mph in a 60 mph zone - I'm confused as to why people consider it acceptable for Porsche to advise them to run their EV charger at 1/2 speed to avoid it overheating - this is not a hard problem. This is a Porsche engineering fail.

virtually _ANY_ other EV charger (EVSE) you can purchase for $200 on up - will charge your Taycan at full rate without overheating.

Porsche's product is substandard and it despicable that Porsche has not recalled/replaced their defective product. You would not find any other product acceptable to run at 1/2 it's advertised rate - would you find it acceptable if your freezer could only cool to 64F instead of 32F?

 

[vks]

Taycan includes a NEMA 14-50/6-50 EVSE (9.6 kW charging) the Porsche Mobile Charger + (PMC+) - the charger included is listed as standard equipment w/Taycan in the eMoblity section - there is an optional $1120 Porsche Mobile Charger Connect (PMCC) with LCD screen and wifi - mostly not worth it - but you do not need to purchase a charger - the vehicle includes one.

see screen shot below from porsche usa website - standard equipment list

so if you want to just use the included one all you need to do is get a NEMA 14-50/6-50 outlet installled by a qualified/licensed electrician - and you're good to go. This type of plug/outlet is the majority "type of install" and is full functional with other non-Porsche EV chargers (EVSE) - and since it's just a plug - you can easily swap to another brand EVSE in the future - there are many many alternative EVSE's that are simply NEMA 14-50/6-50 plug based.

here is porsche's document covering home EV charging for North America - their recommendations will work for _ANY_ NEMA 14-50/6-50 EVSE and are excellent advice…including the recommended "Hubble" electrical socket…I would upgrade the term "recommended" to "required" for _ANY_ NEMA base EVSE regardless of EVSE vendor (this mirror's Tesla's, Rivian's, Ford's, Lucid's EVSE install recommendation as well - so it's industry standard best practice to use the Hubble commerical grade sockets for any plug base EVSE).

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-related-porsche-ntsb-article-analysis.13902/

my biased opinion is that the Porsche EVSE (included PMC+ or optional $1120 PMCC) is a proven crap product, but no reason you can't start with the included/free PMC+ EVSE (see above) and if it starts to dissatisfy you there are many high-quality well priced alternatives - so don't spend money until you need to.

I can suggest that the $1120 PMCC is a terrible way to spend the money vs. alternatives and the PMCC has the same core functional problems that the included PMC+ has…and it's super expensive vs. higher quality non-Porsche EVSE alternatives.

these threads will get you started…

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...estly-bare-bones-least-amount-of-text….11745/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...age…for-those-that-wish-to-over-do-it-….2343/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/search/909520/?q=this+is+getting&c[title_only]=1&c[users]=daveo4EV&o=date
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...g-they-dont-think-they-have-a-problem….14304/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...uide-to-the-porsche-evse-pmc-pmcc-pwcc.13886/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...pany…-tesla-j-1772-wall-charger-review.13163/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/which-mobile-charger-would-you-recommend.15543/

Thanks so much! This is super helpful. I think I was thinking about this wrong and not initially considering just getting an electrician to install the NEMA 14-50 outlet. Your suggestion is very helpful. I will go down that route.

 

[whitex]

In the states is it cheaper to purchase other brand of chargers?

I am fairly sure even in Australia there are much cheaper options for EVSE's than Porsche, unless of course you consider the Porsche option free because they force you to buy it. I remember watching a review/teardown of an EVSE by a guy from your neck of the woods.

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