Just picked up a Model 3 Performance ...

[Mr.Smith]

Refreshed 3P reaches the 1/4 mile in the same 10.8/10.9 seconds as the Turbo, but the Tesla doesn’t require any sort of special launch mode to do so - just mash the accelerator and go, and no pause at any speed for a gearbox to change down.

So in the real world (apart from the Autobahn or 3AM 60mph roll racing in “Mexico”), the 3P’s acceleration is virtually identical to the Turbo’s.

There’s no question that above about 100 mph the Turbo is quicker, but for most drivers/situations, that’s immaterial.

The 2 speed transmission makes the Taycan higher speed car. The 3P gives all of its power to 110mph, Taycan keeps going to the top speed.
The 60-130 means the Taycan will be around 13 cars ahead of the 3P on a roll in Mexico. On a drag strip, they are the same

Unfortunately this one didn't want to test out the Mexican roads

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[Vercingetorix]

Strip 300lbs of interior from a Turbo so it matches the lack of interior on a Model 3, then run a drag race.

 

[Zcd1]

The 2 speed transmission makes the Taycan higher speed car.

3P’s top speed is the same as the Turbo’s despite the lack of a transmission.

The Lucid Air Sapphire and Tesla Plaid further demonstrate that a transmission isn’t required in a “higher speed car”, since both are faster than any Taycan.

 

[Mr.Smith]

3P’s top speed is the same as the Turbo’s despite the lack of a transmission.

The Lucid Air Sapphire and Tesla Plaid further demonstrate that a transmission isn’t required in a “higher speed car”, since both are faster than any Taycan.

Model 3 gets there much slower though. Three motors for Plaid and Sappire or Trasmission, take your pick.
Dont forget the Taycan refresh with 2 speed is already faster than the Plaid. Sapphire is really 1500hp and will be hard to beat on a drag strip, but woud be good to see the Ring times

 

[Zcd1]

Model 3 gets there much slower though. Three motors for Plaid and Sappire or Trasmission, take your pick.
Dont forget the Taycan refresh with 2 speed is already faster than the Plaid. Sapphire is really 1500hp and will be hard to beat on a drag strip, but woud be good to see the Ring times

Plaid with Track Pack top speed is 200 mph. Taycan refresh top speed 190 mph, despite the transmission.

3 motors vs 2 motors isn’t important - the motors’ maximum RPM and the final drive ratio matter for top speed.

Also, the refresh Model S LR is quicker AND faster than the Taycan Turbo in the 1/4 mile despite no transmission and only 2 motors.

Anyway, the original point I made still stands: In the vast majority of real-world driving situations the $55K Model 3P’s acceleration is about equal to the 3X more expensive Taycan Turbo’s.

 

[f1eng]

Anyway, the original point I made still stands: In the vast majority of real-world driving situations the $55K Model 3P’s acceleration is about equal to the 3X more expensive Taycan Turbo’s.

But that is of little real world consequence in countries without a drag racing culture born out of road grids with traffic lights.
Here, where there is one set of traffic lights on a 1 lane 2 way road and the roads are not straight almost every aspect of a cars performance is more important (but harder to measure) than straight line acceleration.

 

[Zcd1]

But that is of little real world consequence in countries without a drag racing culture born out of road grids with traffic lights.
Here, where there is one set of traffic lights on a 1 lane 2 way road and the roads are not straight almost every aspect of a cars performance is more important (but harder to measure) than straight line acceleration.

Which is yet another reason why a multi-speed transmission and the delay involved in a gear change takes away from rather than enhances an EV powertrain’s inherent responsiveness (IMO).

 

[f1eng]

Which is yet another reason why a multi-speed transmission and the delay involved in a gear change takes away from rather than enhances an EV powertrain’s inherent responsiveness (IMO).

My sports car is a 6-speed manual with 3 pedals and this is very true.
My Taycan otoh has 2 ratios on one of the motors and it isn't.

 

[Zcd1]

 

[bluesky]

Well….

this is something to ponder. The Tesla website claims I could have M3P delivery July/Aug this year, not next year after and estimated 1.5 years of waiting for Porsche allocation, production, and delivery.

 

[f1eng]

My biggest problem is that I have yet to find a fake leather that is adequately long lived or comfortable.
My wife bought a couple of new high chairs for our breakfast bar which had very convincing leather feel - she was sure they were - but after a couple of years they started delaminating.
Also I have uncomfortable recollections of discomfort in hot weather of the ubiquitous vinyl seats of my teenage years.
I have nothing against non-leather seats but only if they are fabric or microfibre. I do not want to sit on fake leather.
I abandoned swapping our Prius for the new model for the same reason and it rules out a lot of cars

 

[Scandinavian]

Well….

this is something to ponder. The Tesla website claims I could have M3P delivery July/Aug this year, not next year after and estimated 1.5 years of waiting for Porsche allocation, production, and delivery.

I do not think you need to wait any time at all for a Taycan at the moment. There are plenty of the new model sitting at dealers. And they are not moving either.

 

[d00d]

I enjoy reviews by Thomas, he always checks for door closure solidity.
While only one aspect, this car fails that.
Since the hog nose is gone the car looks almost modern, but still lack of common features like CarPlay, HUD, etc., and they've removed the turn signal stalks.
Tesla should be going the other way now, adding features that may convince a wider audience to buy.

 

[Zcd1]

…I do not want to sit on fake leather.

You might try sitting in the Model 3’s seats - they might change your view.

Having had fancy quilted leather seats in other cars, none were as comfortable as the “fake leather” seats in my Tesla. It’s only really the lack of leather smell that suggests they’re not feather…

 

[f1eng]

You might try sitting in the Model 3’s seats - they might change your view.

Having had fancy quilted leather seats in other cars, none were as comfortable as the “fake leather” seats in my Tesla. It’s only really the lack of leather smell that suggests they’re not feather…

I know fake leather can be nice, our brekafst bar seats were for a while but poor life. I keep cars a long time.

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