New version 4S. Is is really that much improved?

[RGBArgee]

Seems like you’re comparing gross battery with net battery. The old Taycan only has 83.7 kWh usable battery vs 97 kWh in the new one (105 kWh gross). About 15.9% increase in usable battery.

Like I said in my earlier comment, the total range increase is about 30-35% compared to an equivalent J1. Winter efficiency is supposed also have been improved, but naturally no one has been able to test that yet, so we’ll see how it performs.

So a 93kw battery only has 83 useable but I fail to see how even 15% more usable gives up to 35% more range.

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[Perry]

So a 93kw battery only has 83 useable but I fail to see how even 15% more usable gives up to 35% more range.

Because the car is also much more efficient. It gets more range per kWh than the previous Taycan.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

On paper, the improvements are dramatic for a mid-cycle revision. The technical spec pdf captured all of them, and Perry’s post is a succint and close description.

Whether the improvements are worth the cost of upgrading is a completely subjective decision, depends on one’s typical trip, taste and/or tolerance for things that have been corrected/improved.

So a 93kw battery only has 83 useable but I fail to see how even 15% more usable gives up to 35% more range.

There are improvements from the efficiency of the drivetrain, too. The aforementioned technical presentation explained all of these gains (and if you ask I’m sure someone can find it ?).

 

[RacingDuck]

From what I can gather in the previous posts and links, the main changes for 2025 are battery capacity and charging, and styling. I'm wondering if anyone has had the opportunity to test a PDCC car vs air suspension? I would agree that either is a 'must have', but not sure if air suspension represents any improvement over PDCC in terms that the driver can actually feel.

On YouTube Autogefühl said that the new standard air suspension is better than PDCC from before.
But I'm not sure if he really has driven them back to back to have a really good feel for it.
Not sure how much trust you have in that, but so far it's been the only comparison I have come across.

 

[VONRichie]

The new front design for me is what has made this car now look like a Porsche should.

 

[f1eng]

I suppose the front air curtain is not that important any more because they have blocked the exit by specifying the electric charge port door as standard.
It probably wasn't a big difference but I liked being able to choose not to have it, another reason to stay J1 for me.

 

[Perry]

On YouTube Autogefühl said that the new standard air suspension is better than PDCC from before.
But I'm not sure if he really has driven them back to back to have a really good feel for it.
Not sure how much trust you have in that, but so far it's been the only comparison I have come across.

 

[W1NGE]

On YouTube Autogefühl said that the new standard air suspension is better than PDCC from before.
But I'm not sure if he really has driven them back to back to have a really good feel for it.
Not sure how much trust you have in that, but so far it's been the only comparison I have come across.

PDCC and air suspension are two entirely different things.

 

[Vim Schrotnock]

PDCC and air suspension are two entirely different things.

Sorry - I misspoke when I said 'air suspension', I meant Active Ride. Corrected in my post.

 

[Boss Hogg]

On paper, the improvements are dramatic for a mid-cycle revision. The technical spec pdf captured all of them, and Perry’s post is a succint and close description.

Whether the improvements are worth the cost of upgrading is a completely subjective decision, depends on one’s typical trip, taste and/or tolerance for things that have been corrected/improved.



There are improvements from the efficiency of the drivetrain, too. The aforementioned technical presentation explained all of these gains (and if you ask I’m sure someone can find it ?).

This sums it up nicely.

I’ve posted some detailed comments/observations and have found the same range improvement as Perry.

Porsche has delivered on this refresh+.

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...h-active-ride-first-impressions-photos.20730/

Whether range is important to you or not is a reasonably big factor to consider re trading up.

 

[Crick]

or a private jet

 

[Redhot2474]

It’s definitely improved” outside of styling - the question you need to ask yourself is if you value the Gen2 enough to justify the 50k+ delta in price coupled with huge “soon to be” depreciation curve over gen 1. For me, it’s simple, not even close - absolutely not

 

[Avantgarde]

“Slightly lower weight” only applies to Turbo and above. 4S and RWD are slightly heavier actually.

The range has increased about 30-35% compared to the previous model. About half from larger battery and half from increased efficiency. What actual range you get depends on a number of different factors from equipment to driving style.

I’m not sure whether they have upgraded the hardware or just optimised the software, but the PCM is noticeably quicker than before. I would still not call it good, but at least it’s better.

Overall, the amount of improvements greatly depends on how you spec the car. There are a number of inherent improvements in the standard package, but much is also tied to optional equipment. If you don’t spec Active ride, then you obviously don’t get the improvements from it.

Overall, the software is better, it has higher performance and increased comfort. I would however say that the greatest tangible improvements relate to e-mobility; the electric vehicle stuff, where essentially everything has improved substantially:

• Higher peak charge rate.
• Higher average charge rate and flatter charge curve.
• Much quicker charging initialisation and ramp up.
• Supports 400V charging as standard.
• Much larger battery temperature range for fast charging.
• Apparently, significant faster charging in cold climates.
• Quicker cooling/heating of battery.
• Better temperature management for increased efficiency in hot/cold climates.
• More efficient overall, which means more range per minute when charging.
• Increased regen from 290 kW to 400 kW.
• Increased usable battery size from 83.7 kWh to 97 kWh.
• Slightly lower weight.
• Improved charging software interface.
• Electric charge port cover standard.

 

[W1NGE]

I'm hoping the new GTS ST will be fast like the old TurboS and keep almost all of the new 4S range with Active Ride as standard, I don't mind the Tesla Highland style front end makeover, it might look ok in Speed Yellow ?

I doubt PAR will be standard given the cost of the option. GTS sits behind the Turbo and Turbo S .

PTV+ on the otherhand will be standard as it was pre MY25.

 

[Singularity]

For me (based in Finland) the 100% improved cold weather/battery charging speed is in practice the improvement I will find most useful. It will make the car so much more practical when doing winter road trips. The increased range/efficiency doesn't hurt either, but the cold charging speed upgrade is a big deal. I will report on that during the winter.

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