Rear Wheel Steering

[G7SUM]

Yes it does - detailed in the option description. Note that the angle of turn is quite subtle compared to other manufacturer's implementations (Mercedes).

Do you have this feature and if so have you ordered again?

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[W1NGE]

Do you have this feature and if so have you ordered again?

Yes I have it and would / have selected it again for my GTS.

I was used to parking a Panamera in tight spaces without RAS and so I didn't feel the immediate benefit.

 

[f1eng]

Is this something you have added to your spec Frank? I am driving a Tesla Model 3 Performance right now while i wait for the GTS. It is awful in so many ways. The Taycan will be such a huge step in handling with or without the RWS.

Yes I ordered it, and torque vectoring. Initially I didn’t add PDCC but eventually did.

 

[tez1]

Apart from when you need to get the wheels aligned. Then get ready for a big bill!!

Aligned or balanced?

 

[TAYC4S]

Aligned or balanced?

Aligned - but I do not have it so am not speaking from personal experience. Also, for the record I am adding it on my next build which was ordered last week, as when I tested a Taycan with it, the car certainly felt more agile, even under normal driving conditions - and combined with power steering+ felt a lot lighter/nimble at ordinary driving speeds.

 

[tez1]

Aligned - but I do not have it so am not speaking from personal experience. Also, for the record I am adding it on my next build which was ordered last week, as when I tested a Taycan with it, the car certainly felt more agile, even under normal driving conditions - and combined with power steering+ felt a lot lighter/nimble at ordinary driving speeds.

Agreed, I have just picked up my new Turbo CT it makes the drive much easier re manoeuvring, out of all options this one is useful and much better than the ashtray!

 

[r553]

Apart from when you need to get the wheels aligned. Then get ready for a big bill!!

That was NOT my experience getting an alignment. My regular shop did the alignment without a problem on my 4S with rear axle steering.

 

[tez1]

I know how adamant people are but it just isn't plausible.

I don't argue whether that have a stone chip or not but just look at it, if one has even the slightest glimmer of scientific aptitude it obviously can't come about because of a stone being thrown up through the vent.

It is clearly a false extrapolation IMO.

Lots of dirt in winter though which may make it harder to wash without scratching the paint???

I have already deleted a lot of technical information fact that doesn't match common beliefs, maybe it is pointless trying since it is a known phenomenon that once people have accepted a narrative pointing out it is wrong causes them to be more annoyed by the correction than the person who misled them in the first place.

Maybe I should stop.

You should stop.

 

[RAHRCR]

Just for fun, attaching photos of my Panamera with a similar design as the Taycan in terms of vents behind the front wheels. I detailed the car yesterday and this is what I found. It hasn’t damaged the paint thus far but it does collect debris.

 

[Jrkennedy37]

I know of two GT3’s that have left the road and had big accidents, both owners said rws was at fault.

I drove a GT3RS at the Vegas exotic car track and instructor told me the same. He said If you lift off mid corner the rear wheels “unsteer” and propel the rear of the car sideways, frequently leading to a spin out and an off.

 

[tbinmd]

Aligned - but I do not have it so am not speaking from personal experience. Also, for the record I am adding it on my next build which was ordered last week, as when I tested a Taycan with it, the car certainly felt more agile, even under normal driving conditions - and combined with power steering+ felt a lot lighter/nimble at ordinary driving speeds.

I can't remember if it was an article or video I saw, but it was a discussion with the Taycan product manager and he said the rear wheels self align. It would be interesting to see what the procedure is in the shop manual.

 

[tbinmd]

I drove a GT3RS at the Vegas exotic car track and instructor told me the same. He said If you lift off mid corner the rear wheels “unsteer” and propel the rear of the car sideways, frequently leading to a spin out and an off.

If you lift mid corner in a 911, it's not going to be pretty, RWS or not. But normally that is oversteer. With a 911, you want more foot into it, that will give you more grip. Lifting will turn the car.

Never had an issue with my 991.1 or current 991.2 GT3. I haven't heard of any off's due to RWS. We checked the box on my wife's CT4 build based on my experience with the GT3. We are both glad it's on the CT.

 

[Jrkennedy37]

If you lift mid corner in a 911, it's not going to be pretty, RWS or not. With a 911, you want more foot into it, that will give you more grip. Lifting will turn the car.

Never had an issue with my 991.1 or current 991.2 GT3. I haven't heard of any off's due to RWS. We checked the box on my wife's CT4 build based on my experience with the GT3. We are both glad it's on the CT.

Don’t shoot the messenger. Clearly this is an issue they face tracking their cars 100% of the time and the instructor proactively called out the unique RAS behavior to me as part of the prep to drive the GT3RS vs the other exotics available to track.

We have RAS on our CT4 and I consider it a requirement for a DD, with noticeable benefits at both low speeds and high speeds. Wish we had it on our Panamera. My kids love the Taycan way more on all the lower speed cloverleaf interchanges around us - the balance is tremendously better and it’s easy to push a good 30% quicker on those curves in particular.

 

[Archimedes]

Gl

I drove a GT3RS at the Vegas exotic car track and instructor told me the same. He said If you lift off mid corner the rear wheels “unsteer” and propel the rear of the car sideways, frequently leading to a spin out and an off.

Wait, so what you’re telling me is that if you lift off mid corner, the car becomes unsettled and goes into oversteer?! Whoulda thunk it?

Please. RWS doesn’t make the car less stable. You honestly think that Porsche designed the GT3 platform and then engineered in a feature with no dynamic benefits but with massive liability issues?

 

[Jrkennedy37]

Gl


Wait, so what you’re telling me is that if you lift off mid corner, the car becomes unsettled and goes into oversteer?! Whoulda thunk it?

Please. RWS doesn’t make the car less stable. You honestly think that Porsche designed the GT3 platform and then engineered in a feature with no dynamic benefits but with massive liability issues?

LOL. This forum cracks me up. I probably shouldn’t have written “lift off.” Just lift.

Rapid change of wheel geometry will have bigger impact than no change of wheel geometry. Like anything the driver needs to learn the car. The RAS increases the learning curve, but could also pay dividends if you learn to master it.

The original post upthread mentioned experienced drivers wrecking cars and blaming RAS - I heard the same from an instructor and wrote it here. If I remembered the instructors name, I’d include here so you could call him to corroborate the instruction.

Back to the Taycan, put me in the RAS on Taycan = good camp.

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