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[f1eng]

even if those were substandard, you get a new one for free.

Unless they claim 12V batteries are consumables, like they usually do with lead-acid.

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[whitex]

I had a 12-volt wobble over the Christmas period. I hadn't driven the car in a while (maybe a month) and when I went to charge it for a holiday trip across the country – it was tricky to get the doors to open.

When I did get inside – it immediately said that 12-volt battery was very low and to plug in the car to charge. Which I was planning on doing so anyways. Charged car to 100% (from maybe 40%).

Went back to car and 12-volt low warning remained. PCM screens would only stay on for 30 secs before switching off. There were lots of behaviours indicating that the 12 volt battery remained low.

But the car did start and moved off. I thought – maybe a few 100 km driving will help charge it up. We stopped after 250km-ish for a break. PCM immediately showed 12-volt warning and shut off.

Hmmmmm.......

I plugged into a nearby 200 kW charger for a top up – just to see if DC charging would help. No difference.

I was a fair bit worried that we might get stranded due to this – though while driving there seemed to be plenty of 12 volt power available – likely directly from the DC/DC converter rather than via the battery itself.

I've had a FitCamX dashcam installed for ~ 2 years – and its never given any issues. I didn't really think it was at fault – certainly it was unlikely to be preventing the 12-volt battery from being recharged.

However, my Porsche Centre is super fussy about unauthorised accessories being hard-wired in. I've been down this road before. They will deny warranty cover and the policy document (annoyingly) supports their position.

I couldn't take the risk that we'd get stranded on side of motorway – I'd need to call for Porsche rescue and car would get dragged off to Porsche Centre where the dashcam would be blamed and cover denied.

So I decided – while on the road – to take the damn thing out. It took about an hour because I didn't have all my tools with me – but in the end – did successfully remove it and restore the factory trim.

Here is the surprising thing: I never saw the 12-volt error again! Car has been rock solid since. Never got to the bottom of it.

Considering the official Porsche Dashcam now - with all its failings – as it keeps me in warranty – and I intend to move to extended warranty in the long term.

Anyways – thats my random 12-volt story of the month!

It has crossed my mind when I installed my dashcams, which is why I went through extra trouble figuring how to connect them to the official Porsche pre-wire. I also brought the pre-wire power connector to under the rear view mirror, so I can disconnect it in about 2 minutes. I do disconnect it whenever I drop off the car at service, but don't take it off the windshield so of course they could see it.

 

[whitex]

Unless they claim 12V batteries are consumables, like they usually do with lead-acid.

Do they claim that? Even so, what do they claim is the warranty on 12V battery? Even lead-acid batteries in ICE cars have some warranty. My lead-acid 12V batteries in my Teslas were covered under the 4 year warranty btw, then out of warranty it was ~$200 including a tech showing up in my garage at home and swapping it out.

 

[tigerbalm]

It has crossed my mind when I installed my dashcams, which is why I went through extra trouble figuring how to connect them to the official Porsche pre-wire. I also brought the pre-wire power connector to under the rear view mirror, so I can disconnect it in about 2 minutes. I do disconnect it whenever I drop off the car at service, but don't take it off the windshield so of course they could see it.

Pre-wire connector only available on cars with a glass roof (for some unknown reason).

 

[n3ophyte]

Like many on this forum I recently received the WRS0 workshop campaign letter from Porsche Uk (model year 2020 Taycan Turbo S). No mention of an over the air (OTA) update for the new “optimised battery diagnostic software” as it requires dealership installation.

I would love to know if this pending software update will expose the health of individual battery cells on request via the PCM or only flag dangerous exceptions ?

I’m fairly relaxed about all this as - at 80% charge - my cell data via the excellent CarScanner app looks pretty healthy …

 

[EGGY41]

The Sunday Times is generally a decent paper (broadsheet not a tabloid) - although was it here where Giles Coran (sp) berated his i-pace and EV's in general? -which gained a lot of traction as it played into the hands of the EV haters.

The most anti EV seem to be The Daily Mail and GB News (not surprising).
Daily Mail comments are hilarious any time an EV story crops up.
I have visions of the whole readership gathering with pitchforks and torches shouting "burn the witch" ?

Without wanting to give their identity away, a prominent figure in the UK EV industry is a neighbour of mine, we occasionally catch up for a chat. I asked him what was behind the negative coverage in the papers in the summer when there was a negative story or more a day appearing in the press. He said he'd asked the journalist who write this stuff themselves what was going on and they told him they knew it was inaccurate but their editors insisted on publishing these stories.

@whitex to give you some context on the Times, it is part of the Murdoch group. Every prime minister since Thatcher has been selected by Murdoch, candidates toddle off for an audience and if he approves of their policies his newspapers and TV station line up behind them. The people of Liverpool refuse to buy his papers after they accused Liverpool supporters of stealing from the pockets of dead supporters after the Hillsborough tragedy. His newspapers hacked the phones of people in the public spotlight at will for years, these cases have been settled out of court but probably the worst example was that of Milly Dowler, a young girl who was abducted and murdered. During the investigation "journalists" hacked into her phone and listened to the voice mails and texts from her parents and the police, leading both to believe she might still be alive. I had first hand experience of misreporting by the Times as part of an article their business journalist wrote about a corruption case in the City which I had first hand knowledge of.

Most people do nothing about this as they are either unaware or feel that an action from an individual will have little consequence. Personally I go out of my way to avoid his company and products, but then both my parents and I have owned many German products. My Mum suffered from PTSD from being bombed in the war and my Dad narrowly missed being taken out by a V1 as a child, but in some parts of the UK feelings against Murdoch still run strong.

 

[f1eng]

My letter said new software for monitoring the battery would become available during the first quarter of 2025 and would be downloaded OTA to my car so not to put it in privacy mode and make sure it was connected to the internet.

Unfortunately I have had a 12V battery fault but the car is now in for its first service and to do a prior investigation of the HV battery. The software isn't available yet.

My car was one of those held in storage for months due to lack of 12V batteries back in 2022, I hope the batch of 12V batteries eventually fitted were not sub-standard in any way.

I misunderstood the letter by speed reading it . As others have pointed out monitoring software has to be downloaded, when available, at the dealer. I had wrongly extrapolated the requirement to keep the car continually connected for data retrieval to thinking the continuous connection to be for OTA software download, silly me.

No mention of only charging to 80% or parking away from buildings.

Anyway my car is still at the dealer with a download fault, presumably related to the flat 12V battery, needing advice from Germany.

 

[Scandinavian]

I misunderstood the letter by speed reading it . As others have pointed out monitoring software has to be downloaded, when available, at the dealer. I had wrongly extrapolated the requirement to keep the car continually connected for data retrieval to thinking the continuous connection to be for OTA software download, silly me.

No mention of only charging to 80% or parking away from buildings.

Anyway my car is still at the dealer with a download fault, presumably related to the flat 12V battery, needing advice from Germany.

At least your car can be monitored for data retrieval. My car needs to visit the dealer every 60 days for a couple of hours diagnostics, until the monitoring SW is completed and installed! With driving to and from plus waiting for the car, that is nearly a whole day gone! ??

 

[tigerbalm]

#define ALL_GOOD 0x0
#define RUN_AWAY 0x1

while(true) { // Warning: this while loop might cause the fire
if (!on_fire) {
return ALL_GOOD
} else {
return RUN_AWAY
}}

cc patch.c -o new_monitoring_software
./new_monitoring_software

 

[anonymouse]

#define ALL_GOOD 0x0
#define RUN_AWAY 0x1

while(true) { // Warning: this while loop might cause the fire
if (!on_fire) {
return ALL_GOOD
} else {
return RUN_AWAY
}}

cc patch.c -o new_monitoring_software
./new_monitoring_software

and just below the while loop,

if (software_update_available) {
    send_over_the_air(software_update)
}

but they put that outside the loop so it will never execute and we have to bring the car to the dealer.

 

[4sCT21]

I had a 12-volt wobble over the Christmas period. I hadn't driven the car in a while (maybe a month) and when I went to charge it for a holiday trip across the country – it was tricky to get the doors to open.

When I did get inside – it immediately said that 12-volt battery was very low and to plug in the car to charge. Which I was planning on doing so anyways. Charged car to 100% (from maybe 40%).

Went back to car and 12-volt low warning remained. PCM screens would only stay on for 30 secs before switching off. There were lots of behaviours indicating that the 12 volt battery remained low.

But the car did start and moved off. I thought – maybe a few 100 km driving will help charge it up. We stopped after 250km-ish for a break. PCM immediately showed 12-volt warning and shut off.

Hmmmmm.......

I plugged into a nearby 200 kW charger for a top up – just to see if DC charging would help. No difference.

I was a fair bit worried that we might get stranded due to this – though while driving there seemed to be plenty of 12 volt power available – likely directly from the DC/DC converter rather than via the battery itself.

I've had a FitCamX dashcam installed for ~ 2 years – and its never given any issues. I didn't really think it was at fault – certainly it was unlikely to be preventing the 12-volt battery from being recharged.

However, my Porsche Centre is super fussy about unauthorised accessories being hard-wired in. I've been down this road before. They will deny warranty cover and the policy document (annoyingly) supports their position.

I couldn't take the risk that we'd get stranded on side of motorway – I'd need to call for Porsche rescue and car would get dragged off to Porsche Centre where the dashcam would be blamed and cover denied.

So I decided – while on the road – to take the damn thing out. It took about an hour because I didn't have all my tools with me – but in the end – did successfully remove it and restore the factory trim.

Here is the surprising thing: I never saw the 12-volt error again! Car has been rock solid since. Never got to the bottom of it.

Considering the official Porsche Dashcam now - with all its failings – as it keeps me in warranty – and I intend to move to extended warranty in the long term.

Anyways – thats my random 12-volt story of the month!

This is part of the reason I'm having the OEM dashcams installed.

I want as simple an ownership experience as possible. Given the cars nature, I don't want any dealer excuses as to why my dashcam has voided the warranty etc

This way, it's all on them.

 

[f1eng]

This is part of the reason I'm having the OEM dashcams installed.

I want as simple an ownership experience as possible. Given the cars nature, I don't want any dealer excuses as to why my dashcam has voided the warranty etc

This way, it's all on them.

Never having had a dashcam I was pretty relaxed about not fitting the one I did buy for fear of warranty problems.

 

[4sCT21]

Never having had a dashcam I was pretty relaxed about not fitting the one I did buy for fear of warranty problems.

Wife had an accident last summer, dashcam footage made things alot easier and excess quickly returned.

Given the potential incidents I've witnessed, idiot kids on cross bikes racing out across me and all sorts, I wouldn't be without a dashcam.

 

[f1eng]

Wife had an accident last summer, dashcam footage made things alot easier and excess quickly returned.

Given the potential incidents I've witnessed, idiot kids on cross bikes racing out across me and all sorts, I wouldn't be without a dashcam.

I was sold on the idea and did buy one and probably would have fitted it.

 

[whitex]

I was sold on the idea and did buy one and probably would have fitted it.

You could always just hookup the dashcam to the 12V "cigarette lighter outlet", there is no way Porsche can make any claims against you using it as intended, i.e. to power 3rd party devices.

Dashcams have been extremely beneficial to my family cars, which is why I put them in every one of our cars. They saved me thousands on insurance to date, two main was my wife's car getting totaled (~$100K payout) by a DUI driver who ran away, and my daughter's car suffering major damage (~$18K payout) after being directed by a cop to drive through an intersection where he neglected to stop crossing traffic. The money saved was $1,000 deductible per accident and increased insurance premiums for 7 years (which happens when it's your fault of fault cannot be determined). In both situations dashcam footage clearly proved the other party's fault, which would have been particularly difficult in the second case as the cop denied directing the traffic straight into an accident. The dashcam footage showed it clear as day, including recording of him coming up to the car afterwards pretending he did not direct traffic and flat out accusing my teenage daughter of running a red light! Our dashcam also came handy in identifying some vandals at my daughter's school parking lot.

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