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[Leccy61]

That timer being set at 80% is odd @Boer13 and obviously the reason you didn’t get to the SoC you wanted. It may sound like I don’t know what I’m talking about when I say I don’t see those kind of issues, but that’s how it is.

For example, I was plugging the car in and out yesterday morning between 7am-11am as I went out and returned home a couple of times. The requested SoC on the Octopus app was I think 70, 75 and 80% each time. These are the timers those events created in the Porsche app.

Apart from working out not to have profiles or timers set in the Porsche app, all I’ve done to resolve glitches is disconnect and reconnect the car to the Octopus app, which is their support have ever suggested.

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[Boer13]

Thanks @tophamn & @Leccy61 - interesting to note how we have slightly different experiences.
I'll fw Octo a link to this discussion and if I receive their response I'll update this thread. It should say when, not if.

Having had the car timer perfectly control charging last night during the 7p window, I'm sorted for the interim.

 

[D00notD00d]

Because it was undependable, including waking a few times to find the car had'nt been charged, I had stopped allowing Octopus to control my charging over 2 years ago.
When they recently threatened to switch me to a higher rate, I gave it another go.

Apart from one occasion when it ploughed past the 80% target charge and continued to 100%, since early October it has been reliable.

Their method seems to have multiple system dependencies/failure points, any or all of which could break. Its complexity means it can never be as dependable as just allowing the car to control its charging according to a PCM/Porsche App Profile & Timer.

The Profile/Timer settings OI uses seem illogical, but don't interfere with them.

 

[AlisdairH]

Correct.

However, in my experience Octopus's communication with the car can be temperamental - leading to under or over changing sessions; others here on the forum claim this works well.

This is also my experience

 

[Boer13]

@AlisdairH & @D00notD00d
- do you use Porsche Connect?
- (If yes) does your P Connect app have a CoS setpoint slider, and do you use it at all?
- which chargers are you using?

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[Morph]

What chargers and/or communication methods are you IOG users using? I'm doing some research before a possible Taycan purchase.

I have a Hypervolt Home pro 3 connected via wifi also with the Octopus app connected to the charger and not the car. It means that I can plug in any car such as my wifes RR PHEV and my sons i4 and they immediately generate a schedule on the Octopus app.

note that the RR isn't compatible with IO Go direct but through the Hypervolt I get the schedule at 7p all of the time.

Note also that the Hypervolt needs Wifi coverage where it's mounted. If wifi coverage is an issue then the Ohme home pro works on a permanent 4g and works a treat although not as pretty asthe Hypervolt (in my view).

I also get 7p for the whole house when it charges. As the Octopus schedule mainly charges during peak times (but at off peak rates of 7p). We only try to use the high demand appliances when the car is charging or between 11.30 and 5.30am It saves us a fortune.

 

[D00notD00d]

Not sure what you mean by a CoS slider, but the pics below from the Porsche and Octopus App may help.
Note because OIG is currently controlling charging my Profile and Timer are turned off.
I use the Porsche supplied mobile charger, which logs charging history to the Porsche App.

On going into the Porsche app to get these pics I found that OIG had again ignored its 80% charge parameter and ploughed on to 100%.
Both times this has happened, the car had remained plugged in for a couple of days after the 80% charge had completed. I’ve asked Octopus to investigate and fix this.
In contrast the last 2.5 years of just using the Porsche App were 100% reliable.

 

[AlisdairH]

@AlisdairH & @D00notD00d
- do you use Porsche Connect?
- (If yes) does your P Connect app have a CoS setpoint slider, and do you use it at all?
- which chargers are you using?

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Yes I have Porsche Connect.
I don't change any profiles in the My Porsche App but I have set up a Profile in the car to not charge past 85% purely because it hasn't always worked through Octopus. If I have a long journey planned the next day, I remove this.
My charger is an Ohme. Note that Octopus redirects me to the the Ohme app to set the schedule.

Sometimes it works, sometimes the Ohme app doesn't seem to be able to commuicate with the car and doesn't know the SOC

 

[D00notD00d]

@AlisdairH
Please share how you use a Profile to set a charging limit of 85%.
My understanding is that:

• the Porsche Profile records a minimum SOC to be reached immediately after plug-in
• the Porsche Timer sets the maximum SOC.
• OIG disregards any active Porsche Profiles and Timers

I'm wondering if the Porsche settings you use would prevent OIG disregarding the max SOC which I set in their app.

The Porsche App mirrors data set/shown in PCM, and vice versa.

 

[BigBob]

Yep, Octopus. I suspect they set a 'random' timer in order to limit the total charge, usually a few days out.

I found Octopus's integration with the Taycan to be unusable so I rely on them controlling my Zappi now; I use a single profile in the car to limit the total change.

Ovo charge anytime also seems to set up random timers etc in order to control its charging. It generally does seem to work when they do it though and integration with the car is pretty respectable. Ovo uses kazula software to integrate with the car. Not sure if Octopus uses the same.

 

[Leccy61]

I believe Octopus uses its Kraken platform (spin off subsidiary) and interfaces with Enode (which Porsche uses to connect to third parties). That said a few months ago they mentioned they were trialing moving away from Enode during a support dialogue.

 

[BigBob]

I believe Octopus uses its Kraken platform (spin off subsidiary) and interfaces with Enode (which Porsche uses to connect to third parties). That said a few months ago they mentioned they were trialing moving away from Enode during a support dialogue.

Yeh, I think kazula also interfaces with enode. When I first started on ovo, it used to display an enode profile when charging in the lower screen. It stopped doing that some time ago though.

 

[Boer13]

On going into the Porsche app to get these pics I found that OIG had again ignored its 80% charge parameter and ploughed on to 100%.
Both times this has happened, the car had remained plugged in for a couple of days after the 80% charge had completed. I’ve asked Octopus to investigate and fix this.
In contrast the last 2.5 years of just using the Porsche App were 100% reliable.

Thank you - that matches my experience (earlier post) and confirms the poor integration. This should never happen.

The Porsche Timers work as they should.

Yes I have Porsche Connect.
I don't change any profiles in the My Porsche App but I have set up a Profile in the car to not charge past 85% purely because it hasn't always worked through Octopus. If I have a long journey planned the next day, I remove this.
My charger is an Ohme. Note that Octopus redirects me to the the Ohme app to set the schedule.

Sometimes it works, sometimes the Ohme app doesn't seem to be able to commuicate with the car and doesn't know the SOC

Thank you - can we have a screenshot please, of your profile in the car which limits CoS to 85%?
I suspect that we don't all have this functionality (this is the reason why I asked about a 'charge target slider' in the Connect app - I don't have one but I've heard some reference being made to such functionality and thought you might be using it.

My understanding is that:

• the Porsche Profile records a minimum SOC to be reached immediately after plug-in
• the Porsche Timer sets the maximum SOC.
• OIG disregards any active Porsche Profiles and Timers

I'm wondering if the Porsche settings you use would prevent OIG disregarding the max SOC which I set in their app.

point 1 - correct. Minimum SOC you can select in the Profile is 25%. If the car controls charging, it'll charge up to your setpoint immediately when you plug in. Once at the setpoint it'll pause charging until reaching your preferred charging slot (23:30 - 05:30 for IOG - if this is what you've set up in the Profile)

point 2 - correct. In the Timer you select the desired CoS and time you want it achieved by. Preference is then given to charging during the cheap window you've set up (say 23:30 - 05:30), however, if this period is insufficient to achieve the desired SOC, charging will also be done outside of the cheap window. IE the car gives higher priority to SOC than to restricting charging to the 7p window.

point 3 - incorrect. IOG finds itself properly confused by ANY active timers. Plenty posts about this aspect on the forum. If you want IOG to control the charge, Porsche timers must be deactivated manually (via car or P Connect).

I've copied this thread to Octopus, and trust they will find it useful.

 

[D00notD00d]

This is likely the target SOC slider you’re referring to - the 2nd screen in the Porsche Timer dialogue.
As shown in the earlier Porsche App pics, both the Profile and Timer have been switched off, to allow IOG to do its thing - which includes disregarding its own target SOC if it has already reached that on a previous day and the car remained plugged in.

 

[tophamn]

Please remember: unless a timer is set to repeat, once its target charge is reached and the timer expires the car will attempt to charge to 100% soon afterwards - this is even mentioned in the manual but seems stupid to me . I suspect the OIG logic falls foul of this.

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