2024 Model 3 Performance

[Porsche-Guru]

Hate SUVs and can’t go back to ICE.

Any thoughts on the Lotus Emeya …

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[DerekS]

Any thoughts on the Lotus Emeya …

Looks interesting! Traditionally their cars are too small for me.

 

[RAHRCR]

Any thoughts on the Lotus Emeya …

I predict growing pains with that brand/model too. I don’t think I will ever buy any brand’s 1st gen, $100K+ EV offering again.

All things considered, I have been one of the lucky ones with my Taycan but I am not one to push my luck.

 

[Roppe]

I was sincerely considering the Emeya before ordering the Taycan as I thought it looks kind of cool and the specs are phenomenal. Then I drove it.
To me this is another Chinese EV, the driving experience was extremely dull. Also, I have a feeling the residual value on the Eletre and Emeya will be catastrophic.

 

[CraigUrch]

@DerekS I'm pretty sure there is a setting in the PCM that puts the drivers seat all the way back when you unlock the car, I swear I turned this off because it puts the seat so far back it made it hard for me to get in. I'm only 5' 8" so I can just slide into the seat as is.

For the most part I agree with your matrix, the PCM is the worst and most frustrating feature by far. I'm not sure I like the idea of the phone as a key given the problem with folks cloning phones. Not sure what the Tesla app reads to unlock the car hopefully not the SIM #. My big issue with Tesla is their attitude on right to repair. I do most of the work on our Porsches and not being able to get parts is a show stopper for me.

 

[DerekS]

I’ve tried to find it. It does put the seat back a little but not enough, and does nothing with the wheel.

 

[daveo4EV]

So after the shocking thread about a shallow dent causing a 72k battery repair, I am really not sure about getting another Porsche EV. In fact I’m strongly considering selling the one I’ve got.

My wife has been driving a Model 3 since 2018, and after 120K happy miles we upgraded to the 2024 model which I quite like. I’ve been driving both cars and thinking about potentially getting a Model 3 Performance.

Here are the various factors I’m considering.

Feature	Porsche	Tesla	Winner
Styling/appearance	The Taycan looks great as all Porsches do. It has Porsche cachet.	The Tesla is also a very attractive car, but it’s also a ubiquitous one. They are so popular they are as common and basic as a Camry.	Porsche
Driving experience	The Taycan drives like a proper Porsche, it feels great, responsive, and controllable.	The Tesla, especially the 2024 model, has greatly improved driving dynamics. The handling is very good and the upgraded model is less bouncy than the previous generation. However, it has the one-pedal driving where the car brakes when you lift off the accelerator. I know Tesla people love this but I do not.	Porsche
Keyless entry	Porsche has a nice looking painted keyfob that must go in your pocket. The car unlocks when you approach, but must be manually locked by clicking the keyfob or touching the door handle.	Tesla lets you use your phone as a key which is outstanding. We always have our phones! It uses the phone to identify the driver, move the seats/mirrors/wheel. The car unlocks when you approach and locks when you walk away. It’s seamless.	Tesla
Infotainment system	The Porsche PCM has been pretty poor for me. Often the music will just stop playing which has become a running joke for us. It does have carplay, but I find I don’t like using it for anything but iMessage. When I try to stream music on Carplay from Apple Music as a backup for the PCM, it sometimes “skips” like an old CD player.	The infotainment system is rich and robust. I’ve noticed no issues with music playback. It does not have Carplay, but it does have a system for reading your texts and allowing voice replies. There are many extras such as streaming services while parked, and even a web browser.	Tesla
Navigation system	Porsche’s navigation system is clunky but serviceable. It doesn’t handle long distance trips well and sometimes requires breaking a long trip up into smaller ones. The callouts are fine, and it does a good job of making sure charging stops are weaved into the trip, including recalculating when excess consumption changes the plan. I don’t know why it always tells me “caution: the destination is a restricted access area” which is also now a running joke for us.	Tesla really thought their nav system through. They made navigation not a secondary feature, but the primary action you take first thing when getting in the car. This makes sense! It’s fast, responsive, easy to understand and very good at lookups. No notes.	Tesla
Ingress/Egress	Getting in and out of the Taycan is quite a chore for me. I‘m tall and also have a hip issue. I have to move the wheel all the way forward and seat all the way backward, something the car will not do for me automatically. I have to set different memory presets for driving and exiting, and manually hold the buttons every single time.	The Tesla handles this much better. When I put the car in park the wheel and seat move to my desired exit positions, and they automatically move to driving position. I really wish my Taycan would do this!	Tesla
Interior	The Porsche interior is minimal but well presented. I like having “something” on the dash in my cars, and I mostly like the way they’ve done the e-dash. Fit and finish is quality. It mostly looks like it should for a car of this price.	The Tesla is starkly minimalist to a fault. There is no dash requiring looking to the side for info like speed, destination etc. I don’t hate this, but I don’t love it.	Porsche
Range	I get around 200 miles on the Taycan at 85%.	The Tesla gets over 250 miles at 80%. It also seems to last longer real-world due to the forced regen of one-pedal driving.	Tesla
Charging network	Electrocute America is serviceable but deeply flawed. I’ve never been left stranded, but I’ve certainly had sub-par charging experiences. Broken chargers, under-performing chargers, slow-charging vehicles hogging high-speed chargers are the norm. But when the stars align - unused 350kW unit working correctly, prewarmed battery, low SoC - the Taycan is a charging monster.	Tesla’s network may not be as fast as EA but they make up for it with reliability and availability. I made a long road trip in the Taycan, then repeated it with the Tesla, and found Tesla‘s route had fewer charging stops, miles, and a more direct route overall. Charging a Tesla is a non-event. It just works.	Tesla

I relate to this 100% - great write up!

optimizing car ownership for personal preferences and opinion is an expensive affair…OMG the amount of ? I've wasted over the years on car ownership - I'm simply embarassed, chagrined and should probably be removed from any decision making authority about my finances for my own good…

Porsche makes a great car and a mediocre EV
Tesla makes a great EV and a mediocre car

I like driving my Porsche(s)
I like my checking account balance with my Tesla(s)

I'm unconcenred about $72k repair bills for minor damage because that will be covered by my insurance company's comprehensive damage plan - and after 1 or 2 of those Porsche will have a big problem with insurance companies - Insurance will total me out of the vehicle I get to sample what's new on the market - not ideal, but I'll be fine (as will most of us)…

nothing is optimal in this world, but I firmly believe life is too short to have any regrets…

get what you want (heart & mind) and the rest is simply BS…

I'm looking forward to my Macan EV Turbo - I'm sure Porsche will get most of it right, and the things they don't get right will make all of us shake our heads in amazement - I have few if any delusions, but I _KNOW_ I'll prefer the Macan EV to a Model Y (even a refreshed Model Y).

 

[Johan Meert]

Depreciation is not limited to Taycans. When I bought my model S100D in 2017 I paid 130k€. When I'll sell it when my Taycan ST Turbo arrives in november I'll be lucky to get 25k for it.
Before ordering the Taycan I also test drove the Plaid and the I5-M60. The Plaid was great but I dislike the fact that the screen is no longer integrated in the Dash. Not a fan of the haptic buttons either. The BMW I5 was a total letdown: handling, dashboard, battery size, charging power. A big nono for me.
Fortunately I don't have to look at a car as an investment (anymore) so I can buy what I like and what suits me best. Otherwise my accountant would call me crazy for buying the Taycan.

 

[Scandinavian]

Any thoughts on the Lotus Emeya …

I think I would wait for some time,, as they will have to sort out some interesting SW issues though. But it is a nice looking car but still LOTUS and you know what that stands gor

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/...mediately-goodwood-festival-speed-1235755776/

 

[Gino]

Nice summary. These threads give me pause on buying a new Taycan or any EV. It seems Tesla can replace a battery for about $20k? I wonder if the CATL battery will drive down the cost of replace at all?

I was strongly considering refreshing to a MY25 Turbo (prefer the look). But unless it was just an unreal deal I am just going to find an extended warranty 1.5 years when my CPO is up.

Also curious to see technical data on the carbon fiber replacement. If done right I believe it could be viable protection.

this is old (but new to me) and I found the tests they did interesting

All things considered I was looking for a vehicle I would absolutely love for it’s looks, performance & to stay that way at least in my mind for the next 10-15 years.
My 2021 Taycan CPO fit the bill. My
only concern is what will happen after my extended warranty & battery warranty expire. It could get very expensive at that point in 2030 but I hope not to care by then.
For now my base Taycan handles like a dream, comes off the line as quick or quicker than any ICE car I’ve ever owned and it jumps ahead of any vehicle when you need to pass quickly.
All this plus the beautiful coffee beige color that turns heads everywhere I go (including mine) comes with the fact I don’t have the best range at 185 miles @85% charge, it doesn’t remember my seat position automatically by my key fob or that the battery may end up becoming a huge liability when the warranty expires.
I’m 64 now and will be 70 when my Porsche warranties expire. I’m hoping Porsche will not allow my Taycan to be considered a disposable vehicle after warranty with one incredibly expensive repair after another. Maybe an extended repair insurance program for people who like to collect beautiful Porsches to keep forever. My 2000 Boxster was perfect before I got T boned. It cost a few thousand a year max to keep it perfect from a mechanical perspective even though I only had 42K on it after 22 years.
If my Taycan requires a battery replacement for $50K+ compared to an ICE replacement which is unlikely until at least 200K to 300K miles or I need to replace a PCM for $10K+, a rear drive motor for $15K+ or a panoramic glass roof for $15K+ or all of the above in a few short years after warranty then I will have gotten taken by Porsche as they would have moved from a high quality brand to a version of their vehicles which are actually disposable.
I have to believe Porsche does not want this to become the new reality in their proud heritage. Taycan is my test case with Porsche’s future. If I get burned after 2030 then I will look elsewhere for an EV. No Porsche, Audi or VW EVs would be considered for me but I have to believe Porsche understands this and will find a way to make their EVs cost effective over time…

 

[Scandinavian]

I’m really on the fence. Despite all the Taycan faults I just like it better.

I agree with you. The Taycan when it is ok, drives better than all the EV’s I have tested. But all the gremlins that the car has plus the complete lack of Customer Care from Porsche is a disaster. The Taycan will absolutely be my last Porsche for a long time if I ever buy a new one.

If you are looking at another option, while you wait forbyour desired car, I would advisse you to look closely at the BMW i4M50. I have bought a i4 e35, absolutely basic model to replace my Tesla model 3 Performance (lease ran out), and am very impressed by the BMW. I choose between a new basic model 3 and the i4. Same price, but the BMW just felt like a proper Beemer and fit and finish was far superior. Performance and range very similar. Here in Europe we have so great charging infrastructure so that is equal to Tesla’s. No issues ever with charging.

Fit and finish on the BMW is in another class compared to Tesla. Navigation is same as Taycan with HERE maps, but works much better. And software after 4 months feels really solid.
The pricing at the moment is very much on par with Tesla. Basic models differ by about 1-2k Euro and Performnce vs i4M50 is also quite like. There are so many deals to be ad with BMW at the moment.

And again you can have about 2 i4 M50 for the price of a basic Taycan!

 

[Jenner]

The pricing at the moment is very much on par with Tesla. Basic models differ by about 1-2k Euro and Performnce vs i4M50 is also quite like.

I think you forgot the OP is in the USA where the i4 M50 starts at $70,700 and the M3P starts at $42,490. They aren't even close in price.

 

[Scandinavian]

I think you forgot the OP is in the USA where the i4 M50 starts at $70,700 and the M3P starts at $42,490. They aren't even close in price.

Yeah that is quite some difference alright. But maybe there will be some offers there as well.

Here the Tesla M3 is about Euro 60k while the i4M50 is about 65k. Of course the i4 can be optioned to the reach high figures, but works quite well as such. And there re a number of deals available.

But not so in the US it looks.

 

[fullmetalbaal]

I'm about 1-2 months from getting a new car myself, and Porsche and Tesla are both possible options.

Two factors to add to the criteria:
The buying experience and the service experience.

The buying experience is IMHO hands down better with a Tesla/Rivian/Lucid.
You pick what you want and press buy... no haggling, no wondering how much you left on the table, no upselling, no attempts to change what was agreed upon.

The service experience is more mixed, but I'd still give it to Tesla over Porsche.
Mobile service is a game changer, and you also don't have to shop around to ensure you're not getting scammed. Wait times can be long on either end, especially with respect to parts. (Personally, I had to drive my taycan without heating for a whole winter waiting for parts...).

I'm going to have a look at the Macan EV in person when it's available, but so far I'm not sold on it. The stats are a bit disappointing for a new high end EV launching for a 2025 model year. And there's a lot of questions on my mind in terms of how some things will work out in practice: e.g., what is the effective charge rate with 400V? I know it does the 2x400V trick, but does that mean it still pulls 270-300KW? Or is it now maxing out at 135-150kw? etc.
I'm definitely not gettin another Taycan - too many compromises that are clearly "early EV" (e.g., 2 gear transmission, "foot garage" bullshit etc.)

I might just go with a very different car (Rivian? Range Rover EV?), and wait for Porsche to have a true EV sports car (cayman? 911? something new?).

 

[violuma]

does nothing with the wheel

Probably a stupid question, but do you have the electric steering column? Having it move up automatically was something that I was keen on getting, but when I placed my order a little over a year ago, I was told that a chip shortage meant that they were reserving that option for the higher trims, so I couldn't order it.

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