Taycan slower than other 800V

[GEFSA]

Australia here! My 2023 Taycan GTS charging at a public 125 kW DC charger at only 80kW. Another 800V architecture EV pulls up 15 minutes later and starts charging. It gets 80kW and mine drops to 40kW. We are both at similar levels of charge. One a BYD one a Polestar. Why do they get a faster charge? Why is mine only achieving 80kW anyway? Do I have a charger software problem? Any ideas gratefully received before I discuss with dealer.

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[refazi]

Do you precondition the car's battery when you arrive to the station? what temp is your battery at when you start charging?

 

[Jonathan S.]

Australia here! My 2023 Taycan GTS charging at a public 125 kW DC charger at only 80kW. Another 800V architecture EV pulls up 15 minutes later and starts charging. It gets 80kW and mine drops to 40kW. We are both at similar levels of charge. One a BYD one a Polestar. Why do they get a faster charge? Why is mine only achieving 80kW anyway? Do I have a charger software problem? Any ideas gratefully received before I discuss with dealer.

That sounds like the typical ChargePoint CCS1 chargers we have here in the U.S.
A set of 62.5kW chargers is claimed to be 125kW. The reality is that I’ve never gotten above the 80s when solo, either in my Taycan or my wife’s i4.
When both of the paired chargers are in use, the power split is often erratic.

 

[daveo4EV]

Australia here! My 2023 Taycan GTS charging at a public 125 kW DC charger at only 80kW. Another 800V architecture EV pulls up 15 minutes later and starts charging. It gets 80kW and mine drops to 40kW. We are both at similar levels of charge. One a BYD one a Polestar. Why do they get a faster charge? Why is mine only achieving 80kW anyway? Do I have a charger software problem? Any ideas gratefully received before I discuss with dealer.

there is what the car/battery is capable of - and then there is what the charging station actually deliver's - often times the charging stations are the limiting factor - you have no control over this…this is not an uncommon problem.

I rarely achieved "optimal" charging rates with my 2020 Taycan Turbo - 99% of the time due to a long list of possible "restrictions/circumstances" at the charging site…your car is fine - the charging stations you're using are limiting the maximum charge rate for some reason (there are many and the only way to find out it to call customer support (the charging company not Porsche) and ask them while it's happening).

 

[daveo4EV]

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...my-taycan-charge-as-fast-as-i-want-it-to.779/

 

[OzzieT]

Hi mate. From my experience in Australia a 350kw level 3 charger will typically deliver 100-125 kw to the car up to about 80-85% before it drops to about 80-90kw. I did manage to get 137kw into the car at the NRMA charger at Zetland (Sydney)which was a 350kw charger but that only lasted for about 5 minutes. A 150kw level 3 charger will deliver 90-100kw before it drops to 60-70kw at similar charge point. You definitely get a faster charge when the battery temperature is over 32 degrees. If you use Porsche PCM navigation and add charge points, the car automatically warms the battery in time for optimal charging. But good luck trying to use Porsche PCM navigation. I've just returned from Canberra using Apple Carplay Maps with added charging locations and my battery was around the right temperature upon arrival. In many other forum posts from those more learned than myself, Apple Carplay Maps does not yet appear to pre-condition the battery. Maybe my experience was a fluke or the battery warms on a long journey with discharge?

Saying that in my experience 80kw from a 125kw charger is about right for the 2023 Taycan GTS which I also have.

 

[lisbonguy]

I recently charged my taycan at 266kw in Portugal

 

[AnloTaycan2022]

Charging rate depends on the battery temp, pre-conditionning which increases in fact the battery temp, your outside temperature and very importantly your state of charge when you started the charging. Finally is this a 400V or an 800V charger. If it is a 400V charger, did you buy the 150KW Charger option to have up to 150KW in the best case. If not, you are quite limited on those chargers. I don't recall the maximum charging rate but I believe it is in the range of 75KW.

 

[Gino]

there is what the car/battery is capable of - and then there is what the charging station actually deliver's - often times the charging stations are the limiting factor - you have no control over this…this is not an uncommon problem.

I rarely achieved "optimal" charging rates with my 2020 Taycan Turbo - 99% of the time due to a long list of possible "restrictions/circumstances" at the charging site…your car is fine - the charging stations you're using are limiting the maximum charge rate for some reason (there are many and the only way to find out it to call customer support (the charging company not Porsche) and ask them while it's happening).

I’d bet EA keeps the charge rate low for all vehicles on the “free 30 minute charging for 3 years” plan. This way they will give priority to vehicles paying for their charging. When charging at a lower rate during the first 30 free minutes then you will likely go over 30 minutes where EA can begin to get paid for the energy it puts into the EVs on the free 30 minute plan. EA is likely trying to minimize the amount of energy it gives away under the free 30 minutes plan…

 

[Hirschaj]

I’d bet EA keeps the charge rate low for all vehicles on the “free 30 minute charging for 3 years” plan. This way they will give priority to vehicles paying for their charging. When charging at a lower rate during the first 30 free minutes then you will likely go over 30 minutes where EA can begin to get paid for the energy it puts into the EVs on the free 30 minute plan. EA is likely trying to minimize the amount of energy it gives away under the free 30 minutes plan…

Out of morbid curiosity, what are your thoughts on the moon landings and the shape of the earth?

 

[Gino]

I was just side by side with a Rivian yesterday that charged from 25% to 100% in less than 30 minutes paying for the charge and my Taycan with the base battery pack took 30 minutes to go from 65% to 90% on the free 30 minute rate. On the other side of me there was a Tesla that also charged much faster than me who was also paying per kWh. There were only 3 150kw fast chargers at this location and my charge rate started at 80kwh and dropped to 19kwh and then to 8.7kwh. Both of the other vehicles charged at over 100kwh. It stands to reason EA wants to make more money per kWh and prefers to get people paying for kilowatts in & out quickly to get to the next customer.
I’m going to monitor the speed of charging for paying customers vs free charging customers to see if there is any truth to my suspicions but it surely makes business sense to prioritize paying customers vs 3 year contract free customers. This doesn’t seem to be the case for Teslas when I get them regularly from AVIS. I charge for free at any Tesla charger from 10% to 100% in less than 45 minutes with a far bigger battery & 30% more range than my Taycan. Then again there are hundreds more Tesla chargers than anyone else in California so Elon Musk just wants to get cars in & out to make EV fill ups as painless as possible.
When I go to Las Vegas the EA site at Baker has 12 chargers while Tesla has 120 chargers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if EA is trying to maximize their energy sales outside of their free contracts.
I suppose all I have to do is use my EA account first to see what charge rate I get and then disconnect and use the Porsche app to connect and compare the charge rates. If the charge rates are the same in the first 10 minutes then I will be proven wrong but if the charge rates are lower through the Porsche connection then EA is prioritizing paying customers or free customers.
I can’t wait to do the experiment…

Out of morbid curiosity, what are your thoughts on the moon landings and the shape of the earth?

 

[Gino]

I was just side by side with a Rivian yesterday that charged from 25% to 100% in less than 30 minutes paying for the charge and my Taycan with the base battery pack took 30 minutes to go from 65% to 90% on the free 30 minute rate. On the other side of me there was a Tesla that also charged much faster than me who was also paying per kWh. There were only 3 150kw fast chargers at this location and my charge rate started at 80kwh and dropped to 19kwh and then to 8.7kwh. Both of the other vehicles charged at over 100kwh. It stands to reason EA wants to make more money per kWh and prefers to get people paying for kilowatts in & out quickly to get to the next customer.
I’m going to monitor the speed of charging for paying customers vs free charging customers to see if there is any truth to my suspicions but it surely makes business sense to prioritize paying customers vs 3 year contract free customers. This doesn’t seem to be the case for Teslas when I get them regularly from AVIS. I charge for free at any Tesla charger from 10% to 100% in less than 45 minutes with a far bigger battery & 30% more range than my Taycan. Then again there are hundreds more Tesla chargers than anyone else in California so Elon Musk just wants to get cars in & out to make EV fill ups as painless as possible.
When I go to Las Vegas the EA site at Baker has 12 chargers while Tesla has 120 chargers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if EA is trying to maximize their energy sales outside of their free contracts.
I suppose all I have to do is use my EA account first to see what charge rate I get and then disconnect and use the Porsche app to connect and compare the charge rates. If the charge rates are the same in the first 10 minutes then I will be proven wrong but if the charge rates are lower through the Porsche connection then EA is prioritizing paying customers or free customers.
I can’t wait to do the experiment…

Correction the other car was a Polestar not a Tesla that charged really fast and he was paying through the EA app…

 

[Hirschaj]

I was just side by side with a Rivian yesterday that charged from 25% to 100% in less than 30 minutes paying for the charge and my Taycan with the base battery pack took 30 minutes to go from 65% to 90% on the free 30 minute rate. On the other side of me there was a Tesla that also charged much faster than me who was also paying per kWh. There were only 3 150kw fast chargers at this location and my charge rate started at 80kwh and dropped to 19kwh and then to 8.7kwh. Both of the other vehicles charged at over 100kwh. It stands to reason EA wants to make more money per kWh and prefers to get people paying for kilowatts in & out quickly to get to the next customer.
I’m going to monitor the speed of charging for paying customers vs free charging customers to see if there is any truth to my suspicions but it surely makes business sense to prioritize paying customers vs 3 year contract free customers. This doesn’t seem to be the case for Teslas when I get them regularly from AVIS. I charge for free at any Tesla charger from 10% to 100% in less than 45 minutes with a far bigger battery & 30% more range than my Taycan. Then again there are hundreds more Tesla chargers than anyone else in California so Elon Musk just wants to get cars in & out to make EV fill ups as painless as possible.
When I go to Las Vegas the EA site at Baker has 12 chargers while Tesla has 120 chargers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if EA is trying to maximize their energy sales outside of their free contracts.
I suppose all I have to do is use my EA account first to see what charge rate I get and then disconnect and use the Porsche app to connect and compare the charge rates. If the charge rates are the same in the first 10 minutes then I will be proven wrong but if the charge rates are lower through the Porsche connection then EA is prioritizing paying customers or free customers.
I can’t wait to do the experiment…

My car tends to charge much faster than or at least at similar rates to the other vehicles around me when using EA free charging. I typically get blazing fast speeds (260+) when I charge via P&C on road trips. I doubt your data will show any consistent pattern but I’m likely not long forward to hearing about your findings. I hope I didn’t offend you with my conspiracy theory joke, that was not my intention.

 

[snstevens]

I was just side by side with a Rivian yesterday that charged from 25% to 100% in less than 30 minutes paying for the charge and my Taycan with the base battery pack took 30 minutes to go from 65% to 90% on the free 30 minute rate. On the other side of me there was a Tesla that also charged much faster than me who was also paying per kWh. There were only 3 150kw fast chargers at this location and my charge rate started at 80kwh and dropped to 19kwh and then to 8.7kwh. Both of the other vehicles charged at over 100kwh. It stands to reason EA wants to make more money per kWh and prefers to get people paying for kilowatts in & out quickly to get to the next customer.
I’m going to monitor the speed of charging for paying customers vs free charging customers to see if there is any truth to my suspicions but it surely makes business sense to prioritize paying customers vs 3 year contract free customers. This doesn’t seem to be the case for Teslas when I get them regularly from AVIS. I charge for free at any Tesla charger from 10% to 100% in less than 45 minutes with a far bigger battery & 30% more range than my Taycan. Then again there are hundreds more Tesla chargers than anyone else in California so Elon Musk just wants to get cars in & out to make EV fill ups as painless as possible.
When I go to Las Vegas the EA site at Baker has 12 chargers while Tesla has 120 chargers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if EA is trying to maximize their energy sales outside of their free contracts.
I suppose all I have to do is use my EA account first to see what charge rate I get and then disconnect and use the Porsche app to connect and compare the charge rates. If the charge rates are the same in the first 10 minutes then I will be proven wrong but if the charge rates are lower through the Porsche connection then EA is prioritizing paying customers or free customers.
I can’t wait to do the experiment…

I guess I’ll have something to say on this the next time I go to an EA charging station. My three years of free charging ended at the end of June.

I’ll give it a try soon and let you know what I learn.

 

[BigBob]

Australia here! My 2023 Taycan GTS charging at a public 125 kW DC charger at only 80kW. Another 800V architecture EV pulls up 15 minutes later and starts charging. It gets 80kW and mine drops to 40kW. We are both at similar levels of charge. One a BYD one a Polestar. Why do they get a faster charge? Why is mine only achieving 80kW anyway? Do I have a charger software problem? Any ideas gratefully received before I discuss with dealer.

There is a check box in the charging settings. Am not in my car at moment, but think it's called optimised charging or similar. If you've got it checked it can throttle back charging speeds you get. Usually throws out a message in dash saying something along the lines of the car is limiting charging speed. Sorry, all a bit vague as i don't DC very often, but it could be that.

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